1841/51 census lookup please - Phipers

[Ruskie]

I have found the following illegitimate birth on the IGI:
Fred Phipers
chr 28 Oct 1850
Cottenham
mother: Mary Phipers

Could I please request a lookup for Fred and Mary on the 1851 census? I'm interested to see who they are living with. Also looking for Mary in the 1841 census if anyone would be so kind as to check for me.

Many thanks.

[MaryA]

1851 All born Cottenham
High Street, Cottenham, Cambridgeshire
William Phipers Head M 53 Farmer of 163 a. employ 6 Labourers
Mary Wife M 45
Mary daur U 18
Eliza daur 13
Fred son 6 months
HO107; Piece: 1759; Folio: 209; Page: 9

[MaryA]

1861 All born Cottenham
High Street, Cottenham, Cambridgeshire
William Phipers Head M 59 Farmer of 150 acres employing 6 lab 1 boy
Mary Wife M 54
Mary daur Un 28 Farmer's daur
Eliza " " 23 "
Fred Grandson 10 Scholar
Ellen Ison Serv. Un 15 Dom. Serv. Cambridgeshire Westwick
/
Next door
Charles Phipers Wayman Head Widr 32 Farmer of 73 Acres employing 3 Labs
Harriet Wayman daur 9 Scholar
Mary daur 6 "
RG9; Piece: 1019; Folio: 79; Page: 7

I can't seem to find them in 1841 and I looked up and down High Street.

[Ruskie]

That is fantastic. Thanks very much for your help MaryA.

There appear to be many Phipers in the area (and there are some Phypers in Cambs too ... not sure how they fit in yet).

The name Wayman rings a bell too. I've been holidaying in England (I live in Australia) for the past month and met some of my partner's relatives. The Phipers are his ancestors. He knows little about them, but did tell me about an unmarried mother, who I assume must be Mary - his direct line. I was shown numerous "indentures" some written in Latin on parchment - some were wills, most appeared to be regarding land. I think this may be where I know the name Wayman. Fascinating documents - I wish they were mine! So of course when I got home I couldn't help myself from nosing around for the family  .

I've just had another thought. I believe that Mary married a William Moore in Sept 1861. Would you be kind enough to please see if you can find this couple in the 1871 - Fred may have some half siblings.

Thanks again.

PS Just made a discovery! William Phiper's wife is Mary Wayman!

[suzard]

1871
High St Cottenham
William Phipers head  71 Farmer 150 acres
mary wife 64
Eliza daughter 33
Fred grandson 20
Emily grainger servant U 16
William Moore Visitor 35 Farmer (190 acres employing 4 men 2 boys Essex pitsea?)
Mary Moore visitor 38
all b Cottenham
RG10 1580 43 7

Suz

[Ruskie]

Gee thanks Suz - that seems to confirm Mary's marriage to William Moore - very helpful. Wonder why they're down as visitors rather than daughter and son in law? And no more children for Mary it seems ....

[suzard]

It's not uncommon for family members to be described as visitors on census when they are visiting family -just as quite often a daughter and son in law may be living with parents and just described as Lodgers !

makes it more difficult for us!!!!

William and Mary are to be found in 1881 in Essex

Suz

[Ruskie]

Hi Suz - yes, I suppose nothing should surprise me any more!

If it's not too much trouble could you please supply the 81 census details for William and Mary? I have Fred and family in 1881.

Thanks again.

[suzard]

1881
Little Chalvedon hall
Bowers gifford
Essex
William Moore head 43 farmer Cambs Cottenham
Mary moore wife 44 Cambs Cottenham
Henry prescott Blencome?(transcribed Blonewn) Visitor 22 land owner Gloster Bristol
Sarah Chandler servant 23 general servant Essex Downham
RG11 1759 19 1

Suz