pidsley

[tommo2223]

how can i find where to send for a birth certificate for willaim pidsley born 1871 in shepton mallet i think

[osprey]

not sure why this is on the Monmouthshire board as Shepton Mallet is in Somerset. Can't see a registration for him on FreeBmd 1871ish, but have a look on this list from Genuki
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/

If you click on Somerset, you will find Shepton Mallet as a registration district and the registers are now in Mendip district, address on this list
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/regoff.html#;

But this was just before the onus for registration moved from the registrar to the parents, so it's possible he wasn't registered.
 

had another look on  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ and these are the only William Pidsley births between 1865 and 1880
William Elias H Pidsley june qtr 1867 Honiton vol 5b pg 31
William Francis B Pidsley sept qtr 1877 Newton Abbot vol 5b pg 130
William Francis B Pidsley june qtr 1879 Newton Abbot vol 5b pg 152
first William B died aged 1 registered Exeter.
 

[tommo2223]

on the 1901census the area is down civil parish: civil parish Muthern and St Pierre
town: mathern
 

[tommo2223]

and also that he was born in shepton mallet glouster abt 1871

[osprey]

information still stands - Shepton Mallet is in Somerset, records now in Mendip region, address of registry is Shepton Mallet.
 

[osprey]

I've been having a hunt around for your William to see if I could find his birth, and this family has thrown up nearly every problem you could find, but there are many lessons to be learned from them.
Our ancestors didn't necessarily know their year of birth, not being asked for it regularly as we are these days and often massaged their age to fit in with, say, a younger wife.
They also sometimes didn't know where they were born especially if the family moved around a lot and/or their mother died young, as it was often the mother who remembered where or when the children were born.
It's always a good idea to look for more than one census entry to compare places and dates of birth.
It's also a good idea to look at the census entry rather than relying on the transcription on the index.
Having said that, I think I have some clues for you.

1901 Pwllmeyric, parish of Mathern, RG13/4916 folio 93 pg 11
William Pidsley head marr 30 house painter b. Glos, Shepton Mallet
Emma wife 28 b. Mon, Chepstow
Emma dau 10 b. Chepstow
Mary dau 8 b. Chepstow
William son 6 b. Chepstow
unnamed dau 2 wks b. Mathern

now the gap between William and new baby suggests a possible death of first wife and remarriage and indeed the marriage of William & Emma
William Pidsley  june qtr 1898 Cardiff vol 11a pg 606 with Emma Morgan on same page
and there is an earlier marriage and death
William Pidsley dec qtr 1890 Chepstow vol 11a pg 39 with Fanny Morgan on the same page
death reg Fanny Pidsley aged 26 dec qtr 1897 Chepstow vol 11a pg 1
I'm wondering whether Fanny and Emma were sisters, hence the marriage in Cardiff, as marrying your sister-in-law was still illegal at that time, although it happened regularly.

So in 1891
2 Davis Court, Chepstow RG12/4336 folio 55 pg 48
William Pidsley head mar 23 general labourer b. Somerset, Taunton
Fanny wife 19 b. Mon, Chepstow
Elizabeth dau 2 weeks b. Chepstow

Now, there is no Elizabeth Pidsley registered in Chepstow at that time, but there is an Emma
Emma Pidsley june qtr 1891 Chepstow vol 11a pg 9
could be that at 2 weeks old, they hadn't finally chosen her name.

more to come.....

[osprey]

Back to 1881
I Wye Side, Chepstow RG11/5219 folio 67 pg 59
Thomas Pidsley head widower 37 general lab b. Glos, Cam
Thomas son 18 general lab b. Cam
William son 15 errand boy b. Cam
Emily dau 8 scholar b. Cam

Can't find a birth for Emily in Gloucestershire, but there is one in Clutton, Somerset
Emily Mary Pidsley mar qtr 1873 Clutton vol 5c pg 627
and in 1871 in Stanton Drew covered by Clutton registration district
RG10/2468 folio 2468 folio 63 pg 13
Thomas Pidsley head mar 30 labourer b. London
Elizabeth wife 31 b. Devon, Bampton
Lucy Hannah dau 10 b. Devon, Topsham
Elizabeth dau 9 b. Hants, Gosport
Thomas son 7 b. Hants, Gosport
William son 5 b. Sussex, Lewes
Sylvia Sarah dau 6 months b. London

can't find a birth reg for Sylvia, but there is a Sylvia Pidsley who marries sept qtr 1891 Chepstow vol 11a pg 25. She is on 1881 census as niece to Mary Liscombe and gives her place of birth as Shepton Mallett RG11/2388 folio 51 pg 31
There is a Lucy Anna Pidsley registered june qtr 1860 St Thomas (covers Topsham) vol 5b pg 61
and this possible for William
William J Pidgely june qtr 1866 Lewes vol 2b pg 152

death reg for Elizabeth
Elizabeth Pidsley aged 36 sept 1874 Cheptstow vol 11a pg 8

Back to 1861
Sidmouth Rd, Sowton, Devon RG9/1386 folio 18 pg 6
Thomas Pidsley head mar 20 labourer in brickyard b. Devon, Sowton
Elizabeth wife 21 b. Bampton
Lucy Anna dau 1 b. Topsham
in the same house as
John Pidsley 66 ag lab b. Topsham
Mary wife 63 b. Littleham
and next door to Richard Pidsley - parents and brother possibly?
marriage reg
Thomas Pidsley dec qtr 1859 St Thomas vol 5b pg 158 - 2 Elizabeths on page

Going forward
1891, Woodcroft, Tidenham ( next to Chepstow but in Gloucestershire) RG12/4336 folio 134 pg 2
Thomas Pidsley widower 50 engine driver stationary b. Clyst St Mary
Elizabeth Kingston dau mar 29 b. Devonshire
Fred Kingston son-in-law 43 quarryman b. Devonshire
William F grand son 3 b. Northampton
Rosa Eliza grand dau 2 b. Northampton
Emily M dau 19 b. Northampton
Elisabeth M grand dau 2 b. Glos, Tidenham

think the enumerator made a mistake with his ditto for place of birth moving Emily's birth to Northampton. Clyst St Mary is 2 miles from Sowton.

You would need some certificates to prove all this. Either or both of William's marriage certs would confirm his father's name and occupation and show if these census entries are correct or not. With the GRO ref, you can order certs online here
 http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Thomas evidently didn't have a good memory for places, but the combination of names within the family and their ages looks consistent enough to show that they are the same people.

Hope this helps.
 

[tommo2223]

as i said i have posted before on different parts of this site but i will tell you the story i know my gran clarice cora pidsley born 1913 was the daughter of william and emma pidsley i know this as fact because i have there marriage certificate i also have one for william and fanny pidsley which is indeed emmas sister. my nans other sister was called dorothy gwendoline and she was illigitimate being born to one of fannys and williams first daughter emma her father was called mr birthwhistle but never put down on certificate we no this through an old letter which was found when my gran died in 2004.......
there was always a big secret within the family concerning my grans family she never spoke about many of them and when she and her sister died all there important documents were no where to be found all amazingly gone it is as if they had a pact together that no one was to find out about their life it is really intriging me ....... thank you for the information you have supplied to me it is much appreciated....  oh on the marriage certifs williams dad is down as thomas pidsley engine driver and emma and fannys dad is alfred morgan

[osprey]

Well, the engine driver ties in as that's what was on the census in 1891, so that's good. 
 
Possibly the secret was the marriage of two sisters to the same man. There have been other posts about this on the boards and I think it was about 1907 when these sort of marriages became legal, so it's possible that the family was aware that the marriage was slightly frowned upon, and so kept quiet. Although, if they had access to these boards, they would know how often men did marry their dead wife's sister. I've got a similar marriage in one of my families, although they did go to Australia so probably weren't found out! 

Think the birth reg for William in Lewes looks a good bet - registrar possibly didn't understand the west country accent.
Found Elizabeth and Thomas as well
Elizabeth Eleanor Pidsley june qtr 1862 Alverstoke vol 2b pg 437
Tom Pidsley march qtr 1864 Alverstoke vol 2b pg 513
Alverstoke succeeded by Gosport district.