Henry Sharp

[linden]

Hello again Cando  -  good to hear from you again .

Is it right that you can't find Francis's birth either ?
If Francis Neil was born to someone else I suppose there's an outside chance that he was still Francis Neil and that's what she needs to look for .

Strangely , my grandfather's eldest brother (a 2nd cousin of Francis) was born 1874 as George Arthur Doolin .  His parents married in 1878 but on the 1881 census he's Arthur Joseph Sharp .  In subsequent censuses he's George Arthur Sharp . And then his baptism is Arthur Joseph Doolin . We still don't know whether his father was Fred Sharp  , and unfortunately we are all female descendants .

If Francis is half as complicated ...

I suppose these  are the never to be solved family history questions .

[cando]

Hi linden

I cannot see a birth for Francis Neil - there are only 2  births with those names on the Pioneer Index.

I will give  DWYER births in 1879 with no father named - Did Mary have a sister Ann, Annie or Margaret?  No DWYER births with unknown father in 1878.

DWYER Simon Flaherty
Father                Mother Ann DWYER
at Carlton 1879 Reg# 21763

DWYER   Thomas Edward Trevor
Father                  Mother Margaret DWYER
at Melbourne   1879  Reg# 24579

DWYER  William John
Father                 Mother Annie DWYER
at Geelong   1879   Reg#: 9614

Could the cousin be approached again for more information.

Cheers
cando
 

[cando]

Linden is there is a DWYER birth to a Mary Ann DWYER in 1875 with no father named...  The year of birth does not tie in with the age at death of Francis Neil...

DWYER James
Father: U      Mother Mary Ann DWYER
at Melbourne   1875  Reg# 10475

Have you Francis Neil's marriage certificate?

Bit of a puzzler...if only the cousin would tell...

Cheers
Cando

[linden]

I don't think my contact has any living relatives who would know .
I'll ask her re marriage certificates.
The 1875 birth does sound like a possibility . If we could work out why he is called Francis Neil . I haven't come across Francis or Neil in the Sharps . The Francis might be RC , so it might be a Dwyer family name .
His WW1 army records just might help , also the marriage certificate .
If there is a male descendant we could have a look at the DNA ...

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Linded

I  have  to confirm  the same as  the  others  no  I  cannot find a  birth  for Francis Sharp  either.  Perhaps  it wasn't registered.

It  is  interesting  that  the  marriage was in 1877 and  the first child was not born/registered  till 1881 (and the next in 1884 ) so  it is possible  it was an unregistered birth.

the Francis Neil  could be  from  the Dwyer side of  the family  which may have been Irish

A look  at  his  marriage  certificate  might give  further information  one  would  hope 
kind regards Jenn

[Gale Joyce]

Hi guys,
Just read your posts.  I dont know how relevant it is to your direct line, but:-
Richard Ware Gibbens (senior) m Sarah Prior.  He was a blacksmith.  Family lived in Tiverton and arrived (with 5 children) on the Calliope in 1853.  Richard Ware (junior) married Mary Stray in 1975. Reg. #4535.  An interesting fact: Richard Senior gives his father's name as Thomas Joyce.  Perhaps he was raised by a stepfather.    I did not know about the hotel.  Thanks for the info.
Gale

[linden]

Hello Gale

I think I heard about the hotel from an English Stray .  If I remember , he said that some of her clothes were sent back to England when she died . Do you think there might be some registration of  the hotel ? And I'm not sure whether it might have been with the 2nd husband .
Do letme know if you discover anything else!
Regards
Linden

[Gale Joyce]

I have not been able to find any children, not in victoria anyway.  I suspect there were no children and no next of kin here.  Richard died fairly early, maybe he drank himself to death on the profits!

There must be something written about the hotel.  I'll see what I can dig up.
Gale

[linden]

Thank you Gale that would be interesting . Did you find her 2nd marriage ? I'm surprised she wasn't in touch with her brother or his family.
Regards,
Linden