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Offline Haninger7

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Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 20 June 20 19:45 BST (UK) »
Having looked at the testament dative of Alexander Sutherland of Woodend (d. 03 Aug 1793 near Stirling), son of William Sutherland, brewer, I am now convinced that William Sutherland, brewer, was identical with William Sutherland, merchant who married Euphemia Eason.  This William was apparently the son of Thomas Sutherland of Keam and Margaret Rhind.
Alexander Sutherland of Woodend's executors were his next of kin, descendants of his grandfather, another Thomas Sutherland of Keam, by his second wife Marjory Watson.

William Sutherland of Roscommon who died in 1747 was not the same person as William Sutherland, brewer in Edinbugh, who died in 1759.

From this we have:

Thomas Sutherland of Keam, d. 14 May 1727 in Duffus
= (1) 13 Jul 1676 in Duffus, Elizabeth Sutherland (daughter of the 1st Lord Duffus?)
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+-->William Sutherland b. c. 4 Oct 1677 in Duffus
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+-->David Sutherland, glover in Elgin, b. c. 22 Mar 1681 in Duffus
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, b. c. 8 Jul 1682 in Duffus
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+-->Robert Sutherland, b. c. 30 Nov 1684 in Duffus
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+-->Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
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= (2) 31 Jul 1690 in Alves, Marjory Watson, d. 9 Jan 1710 in Duffus
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+-->James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
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+-->Kenneth Sutherland, b. c. 23 Apr 1700 in Duffus
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+-->Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
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+-->Marjory Sutherland, b. c. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
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+-->Elizabeth Sutherland, b. c. 2 Oct 1709


Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
= Margaret Rhind, d. 19 Aug 1742
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+-->William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh


William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh
= 29 Dec 1723 in Edinburgh, Euphemia Eason, b. 24 Jul 1702 in Edinburgh
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+-->David Sutherland, b. 4 Mar 1725 in Edinburgh (dvp, sp)
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
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+-->John Sutherland, b. 4 May 1728 in Edinburgh


Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
= 8 Dec 1751 in Edinburgh, Helen Muirhead
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+-->Euphemia Sutherland, b. 1 Ap 1756 in Edinburgh, d. young


James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
= ?
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+-->Margaret Sutherland (m. Thomas Rhind 19 Apr 1743)


Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
= _____ Anderson
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+-->Marjory Anderson
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+-->Isobel Anderson
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+-->James Anderson


Marjory Sutherland, b. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
= (1?) _____ Steven
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+-->Alexander Steven, brewer in the Water of Leith
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= (2?) _____ Hay
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+-->Alexander Hay, farmer at Burnside of Duffus
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= (3?) _____ Grant
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+-->John Grant, hairdresser in Elgin

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Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« Reply #37 on: Monday 22 June 20 15:11 BST (UK) »
Hi, 

Thanks for all this information. It doesn't help in finding the ancestors of Erick Sutherland (father of Jean Sutherland who married Lewis Anderson) but it opened my eyes to the fact that the elusive link to the famous (and infamous) Sutherland family may have come through the Anderson line.

I do have the marriage of Leonard Anderson to Katherine or Marjory Sutherland, but it never occurred to me that this is where the link was. Just goes to show how you can be blind to clues in information you already have.

So I'll go hunting and see if this time I can connect the dots.

Greenvalley
ANDERSON: Moray & Jamaica
ELDER: Stirlingshire, Perthshire & Glasgow
WILSON: Glenisla, Alyth & Dundee
GRANT & ATKINSON:Northumberland
HARRIS: Dron and Glasgow
MATSON: Glasgow and Belfast
OLIVER, HARDY & GIBSON: Ireland, Antrim Belfast
TODD: England and Jamaica
McGRIGOR, McILCHONNEL: Perthshire

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Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« Reply #38 on: Friday 06 January 23 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone!

I just started tracing my family history and came across this post.  My great grand mother's grandfather was the grandson of Col John Sutherland.

I have some Sutherland family history documents that might be of interest to you and answer a lot of questions on this forum.

Do let me know if anyone is interested.  My mother obtained these documents from her grandmother in 1975.

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Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« Reply #39 on: Monday 25 September 23 08:40 BST (UK) »
Good day everyone,

I'm a descendant of Lt. Col. Sutherland from South Africa and have something that might be relevant here.
My great-grandfather's mother was Emma Sutherland. She was married to David Hughes from Wales. My grandfather was an accordion player and he always told me about his grandparents David and Emma who owned a hotel in Port Alfred.
Emma was the daughter of Alexander Sutherland, granddaughter of Eric Sutherland and great-granddaughter of Lt. Col Sutherland and Ushrut Begum (Bibi), Dunbar Sutherland (Hussaini).

From what I gather, Ltd. Col Sutherland's grandparents were Erick Sutherland and Ann Cumming from Alves. His parents being Eric Sutherland and Jean Lawson from Elgin.


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Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« Reply #40 on: Monday 25 September 23 12:00 BST (UK) »
Good day ciandlp

has anyone been able to solve the mystery around Ushrut's parents and family?

Can you please send me the documents that you refer to?

Kind regards
Dewald