Ineed advice on finding marriage certificate relating to AIRD and McCORD

[tidybooks]

Hi woiiftm,

The MC for Mary Burnett would be an OPR and would not tell much, but death certificate is after 1855 and may tell some info, as long as person registering death knew them.

Although some things are fitting in, there is so many overlaps, and some crucial info missing. I am still a bit mixed up yet.

Tom

[woiiftm]

Hello again,

Good of you to give your time.

Death cert tells she was a pauper who died in city poorhouse, usual residence 36 Annfield ? St .Only ref to John is to say he is deceased and was a blacksmith.
He continues to prove elusive, as does his marriage to Charlotte.

[MonicaL]

Hi woiiftm and Tom

I've been following this thread and it certainly gets confusing 

John Aird died in 1872 at Carrick St, where the family were shown living in 1871:

1872   AIRD   JOHN   68   CLYDE   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/05 0366   

Charlotte and John married on 8th December 1845 in Stranraer (from Davida's birth cert).

On the issue of the many wives of John, I think he probably only had two. Mary (still not sure what the surname was) and Charlotte. I think if you check the original 1861 census entry on SP you will probably find a very illegible writing of Charlotte (given she gave birth to Davida in March 1861 I'm pretty sure it will show as that!) that has been mistranscribed.

Sadly there is no reference to his first wife's name on his DC, only Charlotte's name. Quite often, previous spouses names are given in order of marriage but not in this case.

I don't think the Mary Burnett death in 1888 has anything to do with your John, who seems to show as a seaman in all his registrations (no refs. anywhere to blacksmith).

It might be worthwhile you trying to follow through with the children who show in 1851 (Mary 16 and William 14 b. Glasgow) to see whether you could find any marriage or death certs for them that may include their mother's name.

Regards.

Monica. 

[MonicaL]

Mary BENNETT as potential wife to your John Aird is looking more unlikely 

This 1851 census entry might relate to the John Aird, blacksmith:

John Aird 35, iron forger, b. Newton, Ayrshire
Mary Aird 32, b. England
Mary Aird 13, b. Glasgow
Catherine Aird    8, b. Glasgow

Address: Main Road, Whitletts, Newton On Ayr

And in 1861:

John Aird 44, blacksmith, b. Newton
Mary Aird 42, Liverpool England
John Aird 8, b. glasgow
Lousia Aird 3, b. Glasgow

Address:  79 Garscube Rd, Milton, Glasgow

Daughter Lousia showing above to parents John Aird and Mary BURNETT:

LOUSIA BURNETT AIRD   Birth: 12 MAY 1857 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

[MonicaL]

I've also got over the name Mary Gibson as John Aird's first wife. The OPR marriage that Tom found in 1840 between a John Aird and a Mary Gibson, shows a daughter MARGARET GIBSON AIRD  Christening: 01 MAY 1842 Wigtown, Wigtown, Scotland. This 1861 entry might well relate to this family:

John Aird 41, Shoemaker (journeyman), b. Wigtown
Mary Aird 41, b. Whithorn
Margaret Aird 18, b. Wigtown
Edwin Aird 15
Jessie Aird 11
John Aird 9
William Aird 4

Address: North Side High Street, wigtown

A likely death entry for this Mary:

1898   GIBSON   MARY       AIRD   F   79   WIGTOWN   /WIGTOWN   901/00 0026


On the plus side  , this looks like John Aird's mother's death entry. She is living with them in 1861 and looks to have died a few years later:

1865   AIRD   MARGARET (Mother's maiden name) MCULLOCH (Other surnames) STEVEN   84   STRANRAER   /WIGTOWN   899/00 0090



...So, having eliminated the two likely women we had in the spotlight as John's first wife, I must admit at present I haven't got a clue what her name was 

Off to bed, oooh so late!

Regards.

Monica 

[tidybooks]

Hi Monica,

Well done again, I thought we had more than 1 John Aird, you have came with 3 now, well done.

Enjoy your sleep.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi woiiftm & Monica,

Here is wee update on what you found earlier, I downloaded the DC,

Margaret Aird widow of John Aird (Engineer) died 7th July 1865 04 hrs 20 minutes at Agnew Crescent Stranraer. Age given was 84 years.
Her parents were William Steven a carrier (Deceased) and Jean Steven M/S McCulloch (deceased)

Margaret died of Old Age and debility

DC was signed by John Aird (son) -Not Present is signed underneath, but I think this is an error by Registrar.

This John Aird (Father) married Margaret Steven 10 Apr 1807 St Quivox & Newton, Ayrshire. Their family: -

William Aird c 06 Mar 1808 St Quivox Ayr
David Aird c 23 Aug 1812 St Quivox Ayr
Alexander Aird c 23 Apr 1815 St Quivox Ayr
Robert Aird c 20 Feb 1820 St Quivox Ayr
Helen Aird c 27 Oct 1822 St Quivox Ayr
Jean Aird b 26 May 1825 c 03 Jul 1825 Gorbals, Glasgow
Thomas Aird b 08 Mar 1829 c 22 Mar 1829 Gorbals, Glasgow

Cannot see John the son!!! I think he was born around 1811 according to census

Tom

[MonicaL]

I think this may be John's parents in 1841 and potentially with his son William b. 1836/7 (who shows living with him in 1851). No relationships within the household are given in the 1841 census, so can't confirm. Everyone showing as born in the County:

John Aird    55, engineer
Margret Aird    56
James Aird    27, boiler maker
William Aird    4

Address:  Finiston Stobcross St, Barony Glasgow

Haven't been able to find daughter Mary Aird b. 1834/5 as yet.


Also in the 1841 Census, this looks like Charlotte McCord, already in Stranraer:

MCBRYDE   Susan   45 b. Wigtownshire           
MCCORD   Charlotte 15 b. Outside Census County            
BROWN Jannet 72   b.Ireland           
BROWN Eliz 30 b.Ireland       
REID Margt 17 b. Ireland           
REID Agnes 6 b. Wigtownshire       

Address: St John Street, Stanraer    

Regards.

Monica
    

[MonicaL]

Pure speculation here on parents for Charlotte 

If Charlotte and John married at the end of 1845, then we are potentially missing the name of some of their children before son Alexander b. 1850. I am not so sure that her father would have been called Thomas (although a son Thomas McCord was born in 1856). More likely, the name of her father would have been used earlier.

There is a McCord family in Stranraer that might be worth you following up - living on the same street as Charlotte was in 1841:

MCCORD    Alexr    48 Joiner, born outside county           
MCCORD    Margt    53                          
MCCORD    John    20 Cabinetmaker J'man, born outside county            
MCCORD    Jannet    12                          
MCCORD    Mary    10                      
MCCORD    Agnes    8   

Address: St John Street, Stanraer    

It would be interesting to see whether there is a potential Ayrshire connection  for Alexander Snr and son John?

Regards.

Monica