1871 Lookup Please - GURR

[csmalley]

I am looking for a John GURR on the 1871 census, born Abt 1867.

He appears on the 1891 with his wife Emma, and his birthplace is noted as Ramsgate. However, i can't find him on the 1881 census. I'm hoping he'll be on the 1871 (4 yrs?) so I can identify his parents/siblings.

Many Thanks in advance!

Clare

[BettyofKent]

I can't see anyone likely with the birthplace of Ramsgate.
I'm a bit suspicious of that, as there's no birth registration of a John Gurr in Thanet between 1860 & 1870.
I'll have another look.

Betty

[csmalley]

Hi Betty,

Does the 1901 give a different birth place?

I'm wondering whether he was a name swapper (as was his daughter) - There's a Frederick John Gurr 1867 born in Faversham (which is where he and Emma were married). Saying that, i can't see him on the 1881 either!

Clare

[BettyofKent]

If he lied about his age on the 1891 census, & the enumerator misheard the place of birth, the nearest I can find in 1871 is John Gurr age 1 born SNARGATE, Kent.  Snargate misheard as Ramsgate?   There's a John Thomas Gurr birth reg. Mar qtr 1870 New Romney (which covers Snargate)
Do you have more info to help track him down?

Betty

[BettyofKent]

1901
There's a John & Emma Gurr living in Goodnestone, Kent
John born abt 1870, Oare Kent, but I'm sure the original has what looks like  Snargate crossed out, something crossed out anyway!
 Wife Emma (transcribed as Emme) born abt 1870 Boughton Under Blean, Kent.  There's an Edward Gurr with them, age 72 born Chislet Kent. Also 5 children.
There'a aslso a John Thomas Gurr born abt 1870 Snargate, wife Florence, which sounds like the John Gurr from my previous message.
I can't see a John Gurr born Ramsgate 1901. I do feel that's a mistake.

Betty

[BettyofKent]

Marriages Mar qtr 1889
John Gurr
Emma Packman
Registration district of Faversham which covers Boughton under Blean where the Emma of my previous message was born. Their oldest child was born 1890, so I should think it's the same couple.
But are they your John & Emma?

Betty

[csmalley]

Unfortunately not. I received his daughter's marriage certificate this morning (she was a bit of a puzzle too!), and so just have a name and his entry on the 1891 with his wife Emma. Found their marriage, Q1 1889 Faversham.

John born abt 1870 Oare sounds more like it (Faversham basically!), its definitely the correct family as Emma is on the 1891 born Boughton - I'm sceptical about Snargate as its quite a way away. Is one of the children called Lillian May? (My GGrandmother). She'll be about 12. Perhaps... Edward is Johns father?

Another certificate, i think...!

[csmalley]

Sorry - that was a reply to one of your earlier posts!

Yes, thats my John and Emma!

[BettyofKent]

Searching the 1901 census just for a male born 1867 +/- one year, born Ramsgate doesn't show anyone likely. Adding the first name John doesn't help, so it does look like the date and/or place of birth are wrong. Unless of course he has been very badly mistranscribed!!!

Betty