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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 05 July 07 22:37 BST (UK) »
Helen

Morningside Cemetery is indeed in Edinburgh, opened 1878, see www.straighttothebar.com/bitt/2004/02/edinburgh_burials_and_crematio.html) Morningside itself is a district of Edinburgh. Located between Balcarres Street and Morningside Drive in the Morningside distrrict of SW Edinburgh. You should be able to find it on any of the modern mapping sites.

For further info on Morningside Cemetery:

The Edinburgh A2Z Council site at
http://a2z.edinburgh.gov.uk gives an e-mail for Morningside Cemetery of env.con.svs@edinburgh.gov.uk so you could try asking them where burial records are held. The Scottish Genealogy Society at http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/ also holds some Monumental Inscriptions for Morningside (see Family History section then . M.I's)

I've taken the above from an informative series of posts on Morningside Cemetery to be found on http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/MIDLOTHIAN/2004-10/1098068105

Another link which includes photos of the cemetery:
http://www.headstones.fsnet.co.uk/bgtime.htm

Regards.

Monica
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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #28 on: Friday 06 July 07 00:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica

Thank you very much for the info, it will certainly save my niece a lot of work and I know she will be glad.

Thanks

Helen McLeod/Syme

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« Reply #29 on: Friday 06 July 07 06:19 BST (UK) »
Great information!
Helen, if you go to (say):
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
and search for Morningside (select 'GB place'), the map which comes up shows the Cemetery - just above the word Morningside.  If you then zoom in and scroll around, you can see the named streets mentioned by Monica (though the cemetery isn't marked ...).
Another good map site is:
http://www.multimap.com/
And for old maps:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

It's just occurred to me that you might not be aware of, and might be interested in, the Statistical Accounts of Scotland which can be found at:
http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/
I just looked at Prestonpans on the 1799 account and noticed:
"  ...  There are 20 Heritors the principal of whom are the Countess of Hyndford, proprietress of the lands of Prestongrange and Dolphinston; Mr Finlay of Drummore, Mr Syme of Northfield, Mrs Ramsay of Burnrigg, the trustees of Schaw's hospital, and the trustees of Watson's hospital.  The principal seats are Prestongrange, Drummore and Northfield.  ...  "

JAP

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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #30 on: Friday 06 July 07 08:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen,

My curiosity got the better of me (I usually don't let it!) and so I looked on SP at the 1804 baptism entry for John - and bingo!

1804, July 25, Baptized to Mr Murdo Macleod Cooper & Shipowner Stornoway a son named John

Surely must be your John!

The use of 'Mr' is significant - there's only one other chap on the page distinguished thus.  I guess it implies that Murdo is a man of some importance.  Incidentally, the words "& Shipowner Stornoway" have been inserted above the line in a different hand.

Some at least of the other baptisms in Stornoway with father Murdo are surely the same family - but I'll resist the temptation to look!

In the IGI, the Stornoway batch is C110882 which goes from 1762 to 1860 (you'll see this at the bottom of the screen if you search for - say - Dugald MCLEOD, father Murdo MCLEOD).

There are quite a few McLeod baptisms with father Murdo or variant between 1797 (year of the marriage) and 1821 (year following his death).

Go to the IGI, enter Murdo and Mcleod in the father boxes, enter 1811 in the year box, select +/- 10 in the range, select British Isles, and enter C110882 in the batch box.  Don't enter anything else.

This covers the years 1801-1821 inclusive and brings up 20 records (representing 14 persons as some of the later entries have both birth and baptism recorded).  The father's name is variously Murdo, Murdoch and Murdh.

To cover the remaining years do the same search but with 1799 in the year box, and range +/- 2.  It brings up no records.  Indeed there's only one MCLEOD birth/baptism in the whole batch earlier than 1804 - and that's a William, father Colin, in 1783.

JAP


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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #31 on: Friday 06 July 07 08:52 BST (UK) »
A small find.

In a chapter on 'Traditions of the Macaulays of Lewis" at:
http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_014/14_363_431.pdf
there is the following mention.

"Donald Morrison  ...  was born in May 1787  ...  was afterwards a schoolmaster for five years at Valtos.  He then went to Stornoway, and was a shopman with Mr Murdo Macleod, cooper and shipowner.  ...  "   

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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #32 on: Friday 06 July 07 22:47 BST (UK) »
Hi JAP

I have been sitting in the hospital all day and after 8 hours of tests and blood work discovered my husband just had a pulled muscle.   

I will certainly search those cites and get a map for my niece Christine and hope she will have time to go to Edinburgh.

I did check SP and found this info for March 17 1807
Murdoch McLeod cooper and shipowner a son and to Jane Ferguson  - named Dugald, at least this gives me some documentation on Dugald.

Thanks for the info on James Syme, I did know he had money because his estate carried on from 1819 until his son Thomas  a writer to the Signet (whatever that means)  died in 1869.  My G. Grandfather received some money over the years after his mother, Catharine died.

I have replied away too early after I scrolled down and discovered the other information you found.  I looked for John on Sp and had no luck so after I read all your info I will have to try again

Thank You very much for all your work

Helen McLeod/Syme

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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 07 July 07 08:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen,

Sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations - but glad that there was a good outcome.

'Writer' was an earlier Scottish usage for a lawyer/solicitor.
There is a good explanation about 'Writer to the Signet' at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,197646.0.html

Perhaps you didn't find John's 1804 baptism on SP because his name is spelled MACLEOD i.e. 'Mac' rather than 'Mc'.  It is a good idea to use wildcards (you can read about them on the SP site) when searching for such names i.e. search for M*CLEOD which will bring up both 'McLeod' and 'Macleod'.

Great that Dugald's baptism entry actually mentions his mother!

I can't help wondering about Murdo!  Was he an Edinburgh man who set up a successful cooperage in Stornoway and became a shipowner as well, and if so when and why ...   Or did he already have links to the Isle of Lewis - indeed, might he have been born there ...  I wonder if you'll ever find out  ;)  I also wonder about children of his 1797 marriage before John's baptism in 1804 - wish we could find Jane (later SYME) who, according to the 1851 census, was born in Stornoway ca 1803.  Questions, questions ...

All the best,

JAP
PS: Have you looked at the following site (Roots Hebrides):
http://www.rootshebrides.com/index.php
Looking through that site gives considerable optimism that you may well be able to find out more about Murdo from resources mentioned there ...

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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 07 July 07 10:44 BST (UK) »
Just another small comment.

I checked and SP has more Stornoway M*cleod birth/baptisms in that 1797-1821 period than there are in the Stornoway batch on the IGI!  Most of the extras (though not all) however, have been mentioned in LDS submissions in the IGI ...
Unfortunately there's no Jean/Jane!

One (Alexandrina MACLEOD) is actually in the batch - I missed her because her father's name is given as Murd. (the IGI combines Murdo, Murdoch and Murdh. but not Murd. ...  hmmm)  She's irrelevant anyway as her mother's name is McIver.

But some others must simply have been missed by the official IGI transcribers who transcribed the batch  :(

These include the second Dugald (which was submitted by an LDS member).  The batch has only Dugald Ferguson McLEOD in 1806; SP, however, has both him and Dugald McLEOD (this with mother's name) a year later in 1807 - presumably the first little Dugald did not survive.

There's always something to trip us up ...

JAP

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Re: Church of Scotland
« Reply #35 on: Monday 09 July 07 14:49 BST (UK) »
Hi JAP

I checked out the threads you mentioned on the one e-mail and two are from Creatrez who is a distant cousin also doing research on the family, she went to France last year for a holiday and I have not heard from her since.

I did find the records for John MacLeod, from the info I received from my Aunts Murdoch and Jane had 4 children oldest was a Norman who died in 1859(can't find) John who I did find, Jane can't find any info on her birth, and Dugald (did Find)  so I'm certainly progressing.

Thanks for the info on Roots Hebrides it certainly looks promising and I would never have known to look there.

Thanks again for all your help

Helen McLeod/Syme