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[ju1]

Here is his fathers occupation -

[ju1]

Here it is the right way up-

[ju1]

This is Richards age -

[ju1]

Here are the witnesses -
The first one could be H valentine-

[ju1]

The richard found above on 1901 census married to Ellen Elizabeth is on the 1891 census with occupation book keeper - this is a long shot but would that ever be written Bkeeper? pobably not but i can make that out of the occupation on cert!
It might be woth mentioning that richard senior was desceased at the tome of his sons marriage.
Regards, Ju

[Necromancer]

Hmmm, its getting more tricky !

I can't make owt of the scanned occupation - was it at 300 dpi ? Just wondering if you can blow it up a bit - and put a few sections together so that individual letters can be compared ?

Similarly age - it does look like 23, could be 25 - or at a stretch 20 ..... what are the words underneath the age digits ?

I have found a birth entry in 1913 for a Richard Valentine mother maiden name Willcox born in Barton Irwell! This doesn't fit with his age on marriage cert UNLESS I am reading the age wrong it is a very bad copy! but then there is the death info!

Age is often a problem - and these ages at marriage and death could be consistantly wrong ! If the informant of the death always believed he was of a certain age ..... if you follow me.

Looking at the facts:-

• No Birth Index match for a Richard 1908 - 1911 in Lancs
• We have a 1900 Marriage of a Richard V to a Willcox (the only one in a 20 year period yet transcribed
• That couple can be located in 1901 Chorlton area - and Richard snr comes from STRETFORD
• 1913 Birth of a Richard V to a Willcox Maiden name  - Barton Irwell, which covers STRETFORD (the PoB of the Richard snr found 1901)
• Witness (possibly) H Valentine - theres a Barton I birth of a Harry V in 1911

Its all close enough to warrant ordering the 1913 Birth Cert - conditional on Parents christian names ... this if it matches a father Richard, would give us another stab at the Occupation.

If that stage looks good, then the 1900 Marriage Cert would be a goer ...

Cheers for now, N.

[GeoffE]

A Richard VALENTINE married in Wigan 1900 ... it's possible they had a child Richard in 1915.

Just to enlarge on what I wrote before ...

Possible marriage

Marriages Dec 1900 
Mullin    Margaret        Wigan    8c   222   
**Speakman    Jessie         Wigan    8c   222   
**VALENTINE    Richard         Wigan    8c   222   
Woods    James         Wigan    8c   222

Births Mar 1915 
Valentine    Richard    (Speakman)    Wigan    8c   266

[Necromancer]

does he show on 1901 Geoff ?

Wish I could read that occupation posted earlier  !

[GeoffE]

does he show on 1901 Geoff ?

I can't see him at the moment - Jessie VALENTINE is with her SPEAKMAN parents in Upholland, Lancs.

Aha ... there's a Richard VALENTINE (mar) 26 Farmer's Son, Standish

with his parents in Wrightington (a few miles NW of Wigan)