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"Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« on: Thursday 21 June 07 21:54 BST (UK) »
I have searched in vain on old and new maps for an area of Penmaen called "Pilewell".
Not Pyle Well in Rhossilli.

In 1861 my family was at Pilewell in Penmaen.

I've been finding family homes on google earth..and am stumped on this one.

Also.. and specific location for where Middleton is in relation to Rhossilli?

Any help appreciated.
I've been excited that I can pinpoint most of the exact farms that my family lived on in Porteynon, Oxwich and Penrice.
Ratcliffe, Houghton, Pilling, Johnson, Salisbury, Yarwood : Cheshire and Lancashire
Rundle, Clark, Lobb, Cock, Ede, Broad, White, Brice?, Mann : Cornwall
Wardell; Harrison, Richardson, West: Lincolnshire
Kieft, Morgan, Bevan, Hullin, Beynon: Gower, GLA, Wales
Stanford, Carroll, Wrynn, MacGovern : Leitrim, IRE
Stanford, Mason ; Meagher/Mahar, Bannon, Connolly: Ireland
Keen: England and New Haven, CT
...and many more!

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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 June 07 14:33 BST (UK) »
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Researching:
Wilson, Warren, Dulston, Hooper, Duffin, Petty, Rees, Davies, Williams, Newman, Dyer, Hamilton, Edmeads, Pattenden.

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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 June 07 16:06 BST (UK) »
I was actually spelled both ways in different records.. and it does get confusing.. because in some Census it is included in the "Penmaen" district.. and in others it's not.

It has been very confusing.

To me.. this section mentioned on the link you gave me seems very far from Penmaen/Nicholston (the family is in parish records for Penmaen during the time they lived there. The map on that site seems to make me think this is the Pylewell in Rhossilly Census districts.     This particular Morgan family was an offshoot of the Morgans at Moor Corner in Porteynon..and ended up back there eventually.

On all of the maps on the site you linked to.. I can never find either Pylewell or Pilewell.

I'll go back and check census today..but if memory serves me .. there were TWO different locations with similar names.. "Pylewell" near Rossilly .. and "Pilewell" in Penmaen.. listed in the same Census year.

Ratcliffe, Houghton, Pilling, Johnson, Salisbury, Yarwood : Cheshire and Lancashire
Rundle, Clark, Lobb, Cock, Ede, Broad, White, Brice?, Mann : Cornwall
Wardell; Harrison, Richardson, West: Lincolnshire
Kieft, Morgan, Bevan, Hullin, Beynon: Gower, GLA, Wales
Stanford, Carroll, Wrynn, MacGovern : Leitrim, IRE
Stanford, Mason ; Meagher/Mahar, Bannon, Connolly: Ireland
Keen: England and New Haven, CT
...and many more!

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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 June 07 11:45 BST (UK) »
Slater's directory for 1880 mentions a chapel at Pyle Well in Penmaen parish.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Oystermouth/slaters.1880.html

The enumerator's view of Penmaen in 1861 ends cottage 'adjoining Chapel House, Pilewell House and Farm'. From looking at the census itself, there is a Morgan family at Pilewell next to Park Mill which is followed by Park le Breos farm(spelt Bruce on the census). I wonder whether Park Mill is actually the watermill in Parkmill as there is a blacksmith living there in 1861. The chapel appears to be I/Emmanuel independent
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Penmaen/Chapels.html
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 June 07 15:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that description.. and that is my Morgan family.

From the other post earlier.. I did some research and figured out that the little bit of land which includes pretty much only Pylewell and Paviland Manor/Farm.. is actually "owned" by the parish of Penmaen.. even though it doesn't "touch" or connect at all. So that's what threw me off. I never thought to look right in my Morgan's "back yard" !!  But when I found it.. it all fit.. it's walking distance to my other Morgans at Margam, Little Hills and Moor Corner.

Here is a photo which shows the location and relationship to the other Morgan homesteads...
  Pylewell ,Margam Farm, Little Hills, and Moor Corner
(The buildings directly south of Pylewell is Paviland Manor / Farm )

Thanks to everyone for the input..it helped me look in the correct location!
Ratcliffe, Houghton, Pilling, Johnson, Salisbury, Yarwood : Cheshire and Lancashire
Rundle, Clark, Lobb, Cock, Ede, Broad, White, Brice?, Mann : Cornwall
Wardell; Harrison, Richardson, West: Lincolnshire
Kieft, Morgan, Bevan, Hullin, Beynon: Gower, GLA, Wales
Stanford, Carroll, Wrynn, MacGovern : Leitrim, IRE
Stanford, Mason ; Meagher/Mahar, Bannon, Connolly: Ireland
Keen: England and New Haven, CT
...and many more!

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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 June 07 17:44 BST (UK) »
Then why are they enumerated near Parc le Breos in 1861 which is over 5 miles away as the crow flies and wouldn't be in the same enumerator's district?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: "Pilewell" in Penmaen? Middleton, Rhossilli?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 June 07 18:38 BST (UK) »
That is what confused me.. in 41-71.. it is listed with the "real" Penmaen district (which Parc le Breos is in)..
In 1881-1901 they are with Rhossili, which it is geographically adjacent to.. it is between Pilton Green and Porteynon. 
I originally thought they were two different "Pyle Wells".
Ratcliffe, Houghton, Pilling, Johnson, Salisbury, Yarwood : Cheshire and Lancashire
Rundle, Clark, Lobb, Cock, Ede, Broad, White, Brice?, Mann : Cornwall
Wardell; Harrison, Richardson, West: Lincolnshire
Kieft, Morgan, Bevan, Hullin, Beynon: Gower, GLA, Wales
Stanford, Carroll, Wrynn, MacGovern : Leitrim, IRE
Stanford, Mason ; Meagher/Mahar, Bannon, Connolly: Ireland
Keen: England and New Haven, CT
...and many more!