(QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?

[Rozzy]

Ann Ralph was an immigrant from Tipperary to Western Australia, Swan
River Colony, arrived "probably in the 'Clara' in September 1853", possibly a
'bride ship'.

Is it possible to confirm this information/or not, please?

Thanks so much

Rozzy (in Western Australia)

[RonnieG]

Hi Rozzy,

Victoria Public Records Office has a MRS. Ann Ralph arriving on the the Sarah in 1854. Did your Ann marry in Australia?

They also have details for passengers arriving on the Clara in July 1853, but only six names including the Captain.

Is it likely that the Clara would have returned in September of the same year? She is not mentioned again in Victoria until 1865.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=23

You can search the records on this link.

RonnieG

[DotBrennan]

Hi Rozzy

Don't want to hi-jack your thread, but I have an Ann(e) RALPH married to a James Quin(n) from Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. 
Apart from the fact they had a daughter Catherine, that's all I know.
Sound familiar??

"clutching at straws"
Bren.

[Rozzy]

Thanks Bren and RonnieG, I appreciate your time and research.

Anne Ralph is very elusive!!  She had 8 children to ex convict Edward Langridge in Western Australia starting with Ellen in 1856.  No marriage records, but he had previously been married in England before being transported. 

It makes sense that she might have been married before, and if she was
born around 1823,  would have been over 30 with her new family.  As a
coincidence, her third child/daughter 1859 was called Catherine.

'Local records' have her perhaps arriving under her own name in 1853 to WA
on the Clara, but shipping records don't support this. There is no variation
of her Ralph name arriving at all.  She could have entered Aus. through Victoria, but she lived in WA at least from 1856 until death 1897.  Death details only show that she was born in Tipperary.

So, she could have left a husband and daughter in Ireland and travelled
to Aus via London.....?

Back to the drawing board...

Thanks,

Rozzy

[RonnieG]

Rozzy,

Why do you think she might have been on the "Clara"?

RonnieG

[Rozzy]

Hi Ronnie

A local WA respected historian Rica Erickson has written countless books,
and documented stacks of info.

Her book "The Bride Ships" has a reference to Ann Ralph "an Irish immigrant
from Tipperary and arrived probably in the Clara in September 1853."  I have
no idea where the info came from for this.

In trying to source the primary info, I came across this site.

Thanks,

Rozzy

[RonnieG]

Rozzy,

The passenger list on Victoria PRO only listed the captain and another officer(?) plus a family of four.

However British Parliamentary Papers, 1856 XXIV [2089],393 has the following information on the Clara and other ships Return of Ships and Emigrants despatched by Public Funds to Western Australia from 1850 to 1854:

Clara
Departure 7th June 1853
Arrival 3rd September 1853
Carrying 54 men, 173 women, 41 boys and 58 girls (under 14). 5 children died during the voyage.

So we need to find a list of names for these passengers.

RonnieG

[Rozzy]

More information that I now have: (from genealogy library)

The demand in Western Australia for single girls and women ...  resulted
in false information sometimes given ...during 1853 four large contingents of
Irish girls and women arrived, selected mainly from poorhouses and orphanages of Cork and Dublin...  The immigrant ships, the Travencore,
(January), the Palestine (April), the Sabrina (June) and the Clara (September)...

So names are not reliable.

Having said that, I wonder if Bren was on the right track, and that
Ann was married to James Quin/n.  There are several James Quinn convicts
listed at the Fremantle Prison, but not conclusive where 2 came from.

So perhaps I should be searching for an Ann/e Quin/n, and/or details
of James Quin/n a convict sent to WA from Ireland. 

Should I start a new topic?

Thanks

Rozzy

[RonnieG]

A local WA respected historian Rica Erickson has written countless books,
and documented stacks of info.

Her book "The Bride Ships" has a reference to Ann Ralph "an Irish immigrant
from Tipperary and arrived probably in the Clara in September 1853." I have
no idea where the info came from for this.

Hi Rozzy,

Any contact details for this historian?

RonnieG