1871,1881 cencus look up,Arthur Fraser Johnston

[MonicaL]

Brilliant photos Ian, thanks for that   Always makes it more real to see some of the faces.

I'm still searching through the censuses. In respect of 1851, this is the closest I can see in both Scotland and England for both Andrew and Margaret, with some anomalies:

Ellen Hair 71, pauper, head, b. Ireland
Rosie Hair, 28, daughter, French Polisher, b. Dumfries
Margate Johnston 22, daughter, married, book binder, b. Dumfries

Address: New Market St, Dumfries

Given that first born daughter for Andrew and Margaret, Helen b. 1847 in Dumfries, is likely to have been called after Margaret's mother, the above entry is a good possibility. The fact that daughter Helen and Jane b. 1849 do not appear would make me think they have died very young. Can't explain why in this census Margaret shows a Dumfries birth place and in 1871 she shows Linlithgow. This family group also show in Dumfries in 1841, children all show as born in the county:

Helen Hair    50, pauper, b. Ireland
Francis Hair    16
Margt Hair    13
Thomas Hair    10

Address:  Queensberry Street, Dumfries


In respect of Andrew, cannot see anything for him at all in Scotland in 1851. There is one possibility for him in England - so happens in Newcastle upon Tyne (which might fit given Arthur's birth there in 1854).

Andrew Johnston, 23, visitor, unmarried, shoemaker journeyman, b. Scotland


These families don't make it easy for us to find them. I'll keep searching on the 1861.

Regards.

Monica

[ianjp]

Hi Monica

   Just found some body who has research the same family you have found for me here is the link see what you think?  http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ciscoshell&id=I2655#s2

got to go cooking dinner for the kids

Many Thanks Ian jp

[MonicaL]

Yep - certainly looks like the same Hair family line!

Monica

Added: the link on this site to Margaret Hair links up to Andrew Johnstone. Pity it doesn't include what happened to them after 1871, still can't find them......!

[MonicaL]

Switching lines to the Leppers. Robert and Janet Hastings look to have married on 11 JUL 1856 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland. This looks like the family in 1861:

Robert Lepper    27, baker journeyman, b Lanark, New ?
Janet Lepper    28, b. Boness, Linlithgow
William Lepper    4
Agnes Lepper    2
James Lepper    2 Mo
Janet Lepper    2 Mo

Address: 7 Lion Well Wynd, Linlithgow

And in 1871:

Robert Lepper    40, baker, b. Glasgow
Janet Lepper    41, b. Boness
Agnes Lepper    12
James Lepper    10
Janet Lepper    5

Address: High Street, Linlithgow


In respect of parents and siblings for Robert and Janet. For Robert, there are possible parents of William and Jean Hamilton. For Janet, a little more tricky, the only Jean Hasting I can see on the 1851 census born in Boness, living with mother Agnes, but her birth year is circa 1818. There is a marriage of a William Hasting to an Agnes Collin in 1816 in West Lothian.

If you decide to view some images for their death certs, this include the names of their parents, including mothers' maiden names. Or alternatively, the 1856 marriage cert., this will also include this information.

Regards.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

Well, one guess correct and one not!

Robert's parents are showing on the marriage cert as Robert, a printer, and Janet Smith.

Janet's were James Hasting, a ploughman (deceased) and Agnes Collin, so she looks to have been a little bit coy on her age from her marriage onwards.

JAMES HASTING Marriages: Spouse: AGNES COLLIN    
Marriage: 03 MAR 1816  Dalmeny, West Lothian, Scotland
   
I'll check on the early censuses and see what we can find for their families. Nothing shows on IGI for siblings.

Monica

[ianjp]

Hi Monica

    You have been busy since yesterday, as to the Hastings side i have reposted the image from earler it a bit clearer and it shows her madian name as Erskine, i found the same info you did on the LDS on about Hastings marrige  but were does the Erskine come from? i can't find a marrige for them?

Ian jp

[MonicaL]

It certainly says Erskine for Janet ~ no idea why   We have the marriage details in 1856, the IGI birth entries with HASTINGS also, the 1861/71 census entries which tie up with IGI children. You could check Janet's death cert. to see what it shows for her maiden name or also marriage certs. for other children/siblings to Agnes.  There is no death entry showing for a Janet Erskine/Le*per but there is one for a Janet with Hasting* for other surname (I haven't narrowed down the search fields for the entry, but there is only one record showing).

This is the only entry I can see so far on the 1851 Census, with the names we have so far and a Boness birth place for a Janet Hastings:

Agnes Hastings    55, grocer, b. Linlithgow
Alexander Hastings 31, son, Agricultural Labourer & Forester, b. Linlithgow
Janet Hastings    33, daughter, dressmaker, b. Boness
   
Monica

[MonicaL]

I found Arthur and Agnes last night in 1881    He was recorded as first name Fraser (as he was in 1891 in England):

Fraser Johnston 27, b. England
Agnes Johnston    22, b. Linlithgow
Andrew Johnston 5, b. Linlithgow

Address: No 23 So St James St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts


And also a possible entry for father Andrew in 1891:

Andrew Johnstone, 64, shoemaker, inmate, b. Dumfries
Address:  Moorheads Hospital, Dumfries

The index does not show marital status, so cannot say whether he shows as married/widower. You would have to look at the original image to establish this.

Monica

[ianjp]

 Hi Monica

    I have been looking at the family on the link i posted yesterday, and it looks like bootmaking or shoemaker was a family tredition Margaret Hair had a brother Thomas who married 1849 moved to newcastle about 1849-51 and worked as a bootmaker, so wonder if Margarets husband  Andrew Johnstone went with them to help out with the bussiness she followed on at a later date and then gave birth to Arthur Fraser born 1854. it seems to fit.

Ianjp