PHIMISTER

[malbec]

Hi Tricia,
I've seen that family but the ages of John Mckenzie and Isabella don't fit with the 1851 census.  Isabella was 28 on the 1851 census while John was 47.  I have John's date of birth as 21.8.1804 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty.

James...can you give me a clue how you found the 1790 George Phimister and Alexanderina Wares?  I haven't been able to turn them up 

Thanks!
Bec

[Kin-getter]

Hi Tricia,
I've seen that family but the ages of John Mckenzie and Isabella don't fit with the 1851 census.  Isabella was 28 on the 1851 census while John was 47.  I have John's date of birth as 21.8.1804 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty.

James...can you give me a clue how you found the 1790 George Phimister and Alexanderina Wares?  I haven't been able to turn them up 

Thanks!
Bec

 
following my pm to you, not sure I can but will try.  Will go away, collect myself together and look for what I sent. Sheesh -long day here already

[Kin-getter]

1861 Hillhead Wick Ref 043  ED 2 Pg 41.212
John McKenzie Head  M M 46 Labourer
Isabella Wife M F 42
George  Son O M 10
Isabella Daur O F 8
James Son O M 1m

Thanks Tricia.

James.

[Tricia MORE]

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Parents:

George PHIMISTER,1790 -1859  was son of George PHIMISTER ( - ) and Christian BREMNER ( - ), was a Farmer/Innkeeper
Alexandrina WARES, 1791 - 1873    was daughter of James WARES (1761-aft1841) and Isobel GRAY ( -bef1841),
Alexanderina Wares  and George PHIMISTER had the following children:
1              George PHIMISTER (1814-1883)        m Barbara H Campbell
2   William PHIMISTER (1818-1868)      m Christian Sutherland
3   Alexandrina PHIMISTER (1824- )
4   James PHIMISTER (1827-1916)       m  1 Annie Thain(MY LINK) 2  E Jack   
5   Isabella PHIMISTER ( - )                  m John M
6   Alexander PHIMISTER (1837?- )      m Isabella ?   with his mother & children 1871

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some BIRTHS 
 to John McKenzie  & Isabella Phimister     Wick, Caithness
Alexandrina 25 Nov 1840
John 26 May 1842
William 6 Mar 1857 died 29 Oct 1860
James Phimister McKenzie b 19 May 1860 
Margaret  16 Oct 1862 Died 12 Sep 1864

From census there was another Margaret b c 1848 and  George b c 1850  Isabella b c 1853

1871 Census in Broadhaven Wick
MCKENZIE   John      Head   M   M   65   Labourer   ROC   O   1806
MCKENZIE   Isabella      Wife   M   F   49   O   CAI   Wick   1822
MCKENZIE   James P.      Son   U   M   10   Scholar   CAI   Wick   1861

[Kin-getter]

I think you could be right - needs looking into a bit more, or, something from someone else who 'has been there'.

Will study it some more meanwhile.

James.

[malbec]

From the 1851 census.....

Surname    First name(s)    Rel    Status    Sex    Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
MACKENZIE John       Head       M            M         47    Fisherman     Ross and Cromarty -Gairloch   

MACKENZIE Isabella     Wife    M            F           28       -         Caithness - Wick           
MACKENZIE John       Son       -            M        8       -           Caithness - Wick           
MACKENZIE Alexandrina Dau    -           F                5            -             Caithness - Wick           
MACKENZIE Margaret     Dau       -           F           3       -        Caithness - Wick           
MACKENZIE George   Son       -          M          11m       -        Caithness - Wick

The age of John ties in with the birth year of 1804.  This is the only tie-in I can find! I wonder if they
recorded their ages incorrectly in other years???    OR....as John and Isabella were married in 1840 she would have only been 17 when she was married. I wonder if this accounts for the apparent changes in her age??

Just some ponderings!
Bec

[malbec]

And a few more ponderings....a couple of deaths, both in Wick.

1859, George Phimister, Innkeeper, aged 66. Parents were George Phimister - Farmer, and Christina Phimister, maiden surname Bremmer.

1858, George Phimister, Fisherman, aged 68. Parents were John Phimister - Mason, and Isabella Phimister, maiden surname Munro.


The second one fits better with a 1790 birth for George! Plus (for me at least) him being a fisherman
ties in with the rest of the family further down.

Bec

[Tricia MORE]

Does it show the spouse on the George death certs? Who was informant on both?  Think both ages are wrong on death.

I have George  died 1959 Broadhaven Wick was a farmer then innkeeper - his widow Alexanderina Wares was registered as the Innkeeper 1861 1871  She died 9 Jan 1873 Broadhaven Wick.
Census for George m to Alexanderina in 1851 he was 60. in Broadhaven.
If his death give Phimister/Bremner parents then
Son of George P and Christian Bremner b 28 Apr 1790  C110432 .   

Other George b 20 June 1792 to John Ph and Isobel Monroe -   married to Marjory Gunn was fishcurer in Louisburgh Wick 1851.

Gosh this gets confusing

Tricia