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So frustrated!!!
« on: Monday 02 July 07 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hi all

I am trying to trace my Grandfathers Merchant Navy Records, and am getting no where.
He was a steward on the ships, joined up very young, aged about 14, in c1932 and served into the 1950s.
He mentioned a million times to us the names of the ships he sailed on but no one can recollect them,
He never claimed his medals, so nothing on the NA regarding that, and no one can trace his seamans pouch.
Unfortunately his service number etc were lost when he moved house, so we have no idea what to do.
We were informed that they may be in Canada, as our Government were nice enought o handover OUR bloody mens records, and after emailing them, they want a fortune to look for them!!!

Sadly, Grandad had the most common name known to the Welshman, Thomas John Jones!!!

I don't know where to go now, and think I should start a petition for the Registers to be returned from Canada to British soil, where they rightfully belong!!!

Can anyone please help guide me in the right direction???

Thanks

Colleen
DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche

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Re: So frustrated!!!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 July 07 20:50 BST (UK) »
Southampton Archives have some records of merchant seamen.  There is a guide to seamens records on this site:


http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/c13.html
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
 All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: So frustrated!!!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Colleen,

Did they tell you why the records were in Canada?

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:09 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:10 BST (UK) »
No, they just assumed that as they didnt have them at the National Archives, that is where they would be.
Apparently, it is the fifth register (whatever that means), that I need to see, and they have not got him on there.
I also rung Southampton, they can't do a search for him, I have to go do it, but I live 260 miles away...grrrr.

DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:12 BST (UK) »
Have you read the details on this site?
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/merchant/?homepage=mh-merchant

Yes, I read it some time ago, and then rang them, on more than one occassion ( I figured I may have just spoke to someone who was having a bad day and couldn't be bothered, so kept ringing diff people!!).

DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:16 BST (UK) »
The thing is, I know he served because he received a Pension from them, and also because he was eligible for help with SSAFA...sadly, they have discarded his records...infact,  it would have been done approx 6 months before I started researching him!!
DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:20 BST (UK) »
Here's another fellow that was looking into the Fifth Register.....

http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/MNRecords.html

Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 July 07 21:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks Karen,

Reading that has incensed me further....no room for the records my arse...now I am annoyed.
I am sure there would have been someone who would have housed them records, rather than see them "donated" to Canada!  >:(

Sadly, the other researcher hasn't left his email address, and I doubt the one he shows on his copies of emails is still live....

DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche