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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 22:34 BST (UK) »
I doubt it she would have lived much longer then this so i don't think that she would be on the 1891 census. I would be surprised if she was!! :D

Nothing to do with your family, but something I found earlier today ...

1822.01.19   Death   GILBERT   Thomas Gilbert    on 8th inst, Allensm_te nr this city, Thomas Gilbert in the 120th yr of his age _ baptized 1702 and appears by the register of above parish. Son upwards of 70 attended funeral as chief mourner.
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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 22:36 BST (UK) »
Geoff

You are kidding me yes!!!

But if you can find her i will apologise to you.

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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 22:46 BST (UK) »
Geoff

You are kidding me yes!!!

But if you can find her i will apologise to you.

I know I ain't Geoff but
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
June quarter 1888, Cambridgeshire as the county.
Age immediately before the registration district is the alleged age of the deceased.
Pam
ETA: I had already found this before Geoff posted. (Honest, Geoff!  :) )

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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 22:51 BST (UK) »
Hi

But that says 101 age but on 1881 census it only said 90. so which do i believe ??? I am really confused know.

If she died in 1888 saying 101 then she must have been born 1787. have i got that right?


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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 23:03 BST (UK) »
Hi

But that says 101 age but on 1881 census it only said 90. so which do i believe ??? I am really confused know.

If she died in 1888 saying 101 then she must have been born 1787. have i got that right?
I did say alleged age. Remember Catherine wasn't the one who registered her death (well, if she did it would have been a first!  ;D ).
Until you find her baptism you have to keep an open mind. If her baptism is in 1787, then yes she was at least 101 when she died. If she was baptised in 1790, then she would have been at least 97/98 (depending on month of birth and death) when she died. She may well have been born in 1787 but not baptised until 1790, but unless the baptism PR records either an age or date of birth at the baptism you will never know the exact truth.
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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 23:07 BST (UK) »
Just one thing wrong with me trying to find birth/baptism do not know maiden name. Would you be able to help me find her maiden name? I do not knwo where to start.

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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 12 July 07 00:23 BST (UK) »
Just one thing wrong with me trying to find birth/baptism do not know maiden name. Would you be able to help me find her maiden name? I do not knwo where to start.

Thanks
First you need to find her marriage to Mark. Best bet there is via Cambridgeshire FHS (URL already given to you) as the marriage was pre-civil registration. (Hint: Look in the CD section, though I would just check with the Society exactly what details have been transcribed. Should certainly be enough to enable you to obtain a photocopy of the record from Cambridgeshire Record Office. http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/  )
Find the marriage. Find her maiden name.
Then you have to search the parish registers to find the baptism. Note that baptism is not the same as birth, and unless there is a date of birth or an age given at the time of the baptism, all you can say with certainty is that someone was  born on or before the baptism date.
Catherine states in the 1851 that she was born in St Mary (implying to me at any rate, Ely) so I would start with those registers. If not, Holy Trinity, because she seems to have been in that parish on most census returns.
Pam

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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 12 July 07 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Pam

Thanks for that information. Can you tell me where you found that information then also tell me how to input that information on the system so i can have a look at it.

Please and i am thanking you in advanced.
I use www.Ancestry.co.uk, and entered
Catherine, birth year 1790 +/- 10 years, county of birth Cambridgeshire.
I searched on this basis because:
1. The less information you put in, the less information there is for the computer to find a mistranscription or error in.
2. The older someone is the more they 'stand out' in the case of a mistranscription.
3. Had Catherine not worked then I would have tried Catharine and Cathrine.

Other useful search tips:
Transpose the names, e.g. put Benton as the first name.
If you're searching for George, also search for Goerge - You'll find hundreds, if not thousands, of them.  :)
If searching for a very common name search on one year of birth at a time, otherwise I always put +/- 2 years as a minimum.

There are other companies which offer census indexes/images, but I'm not sure how complete they are in their coverage. And some are far more accurate in their transcriptions than others.  :)
http://www.origins.net/ have the complete 1841 and 1861, and partial 1871.
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp have the complete 1841, partial 1871 (not Cambs!), and probably most if not all of 1861 and 1891. You have to check the counties available from the drop-down list.
With them all there is a charge, but with some you can pay a small amount for a few hours/days/records access. The important thing to remember in all cases is that you must look at the actual image. If you don't you might miss out on valuable clues about the family. I found Mary living in Sheffield, 2 doors away from her brother. Hardly earth-shattering news, except that I found her with her married name and from there it was easy to find her marriage on FreeBMD.
There are other companies too but I don't know the actual names of them, and therefore can't even give a URL.

Going back to the 'how I did it' on Ancestry:
Entered details, pressed search, Catherine was second entry. Clicked on '.' on right hand side, and was then presented with a choice of options. If you elect for the free trial (for which you must have a credit/debit card) make sure that you print out a copy of the cancellation instructions and make sure that you cancel in plenty of time. i.e. at least the day before, and again keep a copy of anything that you can print/save. Once you've made your payment/choice, it should then return to either the page you were on, or go straight to the image.
By the way, with most companies you can search the indexes as many times as you like, it's only the images you are charged to view.
Pam



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Re: Matthew Benton Lincolnshire
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 12 July 07 08:23 BST (UK) »
Regarding 1861 ....

I'm having trouble finding anyone in Ely :(

However, I eventually found someone called John who appears to be in census Piece 1038 Folio 113, living in Ely Trinity.  When I view the image, there is no previous page, no next page, just the one image.  The info about the 1861 census says that Piece 1039 is also missing.

You, I (or even Pam) aint gonna find her!
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