POLLARD-COCK of Redruth area

[deb usa]

Hi Gaz

cannot find your Thomas Pollard anywhere!

Thought I might start on the Grandparents info :

This is IGI extracted info:

Margaret PENBERTHY:
Christening 28 Dec 1783
Redruth Cornwall
Parents: Isaac Penberthy  and Elizabeth

IGI extracted:
Marriage:
Isaac Penberthy = Elizabeth Philips
28 Dec 1782, Redruth , Cornwall

Christening:
Isaac PENBERTHY
10 Novenber 1753
Parents: John Penberthy and Margaret

IGI extracted:
Marriage:
John Penberthy = Margaret MAY
28 May 1748, Redruth

Christening: IGI extracted
John Penberthy
22 June 1723
Redruth
Father: Isaac Penberthy

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Gaz

this could be William COCK (= Margaret Penberthy)

IGI extracted:
Christening:
William COCK
6 Jan 1782, Redruth
Parents; John Cock and Grace

IGI submitted info
Marriage:
John COCK = Grace NICHOLLS
6 Feb 1762 Redruth

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Gaz

I found this as well....

from A2A
held at CRO...
date range 1586-1884
File:
Information relating to a document ref. no. ARD/151/42/1-6
Isaac Penberthy , Peruke Maker.,Redruth age 34

deb 

[GazT]

Wow Deb!

You've been very busy on my behalf. Thanks so much. I'll take some time to digest all that information and get back to you.

One thing I'll have to chase up: What's a peruke? And how do you make one?

I'm so grateful.

Gaz

[deb usa]

Hi Gaz

it seems that a peruke maker is a Perriwig/wig maker !!!!!

You can google ..it comes up with a lot of info ...it also says that only the rich could afford  them ...seems like he had a good business going on ....

deb

[GazT]

Hi Deb,

I'm awaiting the marriage certificate for Abraham George and Elizabeth Ann and hopefully it will show why she changed her name to Cock, though if she was living with her grandmother since before she was seven it may have been a simple decision.

Since we last communicated, (when I haven't been at work) I have pulled all the info you sent into a rough chronological order and it seems to make sense. I have followed all the IGI mentions and also had a gander through a number of Ancestry.com trees that show the Penberthys. They deviate from yours at John Penberthy, who turns up as a Bainbridge, with no explanation why he would name his son Isaac 'Penberthy'.
There's also a different mother.

There's no sources so it seems a bit fishy.

I also have sought some information from Redruth records through the Cornwall Online Parish Clerks. Here's what they've provided so far.

Thomas Pollard, ch: 5 September, 1812
Miner
Son of John Pollard and Ann Williams
Married Elizabeth Ann Cock c 1833

John Pollard
Married  Ann Williams
4 February 1804
(children:
Mary Pollard -  5 May 1804 Redruth
Elizabeth Pollard -  20 Oct 1805 Redruth
John Pollard - 25 Dec 1807 Redruth
Ann Pollard -  14 Jan 1810 Redruth
Thomas Pollard-  05 Sep 1812  Redruth)

Margaret Penberthy, ch: 28 Dec 1783
Redruth, Cornwall
Parents: Isaac Penberthy  and Elizabeth Phillips
(That's IGI extracted)
Married William Cock
20 August 1803
(All children were:
Elizabeth Cock - 29 Jan 1804  Redruth
William Cock - 09 Jun 1805 Redruth
Thomas Cock -  17 Jan 1808 Redruth
Richard Cock -  22 Jul 1810 Redruth
John Penberthy Cock - 30 Jun 1813 Redruth
Grace Cock - 24 Sep 1815 Redruth
John Cock - 23 July 1821 Redruth
Jane -  23 Jul 1821 Redruth, [on 1841 census with her mother Margaret])

They also have a Margaret Penberthy baptized
16 Dec. 1798 Uny Lelant
daughter of  James and Margaret Penberthy.
But that does not tally with the marriage date they gave.
She would be 5

When I get the certificate I'll see how it tallies with the info you sent and see if I can find more about the Penberthy line from the OPC.

The OPC also said the Georges and Margaret and Elizabeth Cock were living in Plain an Gwarry and Foundry, which were the homes of the working class of the town. Most were involved in mining but there was also a brewery, a ropeworks and a safety fuse factory which made the essential item for igniting the black powder in hard rock mining.There was also a mine and a foundry.

Finally, I looked up Peruke/Perriwigs and saw a note that they were going out of fashion by about 1715. Do you think that means it was the first Isaac (c: 1730) who was making them?  I suspect so.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you
Gaz

 

[GazT]

Hi Deb,

finally received the marriage certificate for Abraham George and Elizabeth Ann Cork. Unfortunately it's not much help in unravelling my mystery.

Elizabeth gives her name as Cork - I can only suggest that's a misspelling, because both parties have signed the certificate with Xs -- and gives her father as 'unknown'.

The witnesses don't appear much help either: they appear to be a James Williams and a Mary Teague. I'll keep searching.

It seems the most likely explanation is that one or both of Elizabeth's parents died before she was six or seven and she took her grandmother's name. Why her parents were listed on her death certificate as Pollard when that wasn't the case on the marriage document is interesting. Perhaps she got a little tongue-tied on the big day -- she was just a teenage girl after all.

Gaz

[hivebiz65]

I can help with the Margaret Penberthy and William Cock question.  I am a descendant of Isaac and Elizabeth Penberthy also.

From what I have been able to find, William went to Brazil to manage or invest in a mine.   One or two of their children went with and they are all three buried there.  Then I found Margaret in Iowa County, Wisconsin with a couple of kids (the youngest ones) living with a sister and brother in law.  Some of the kids probably stayed in Cornwall with grandparents and I don't think Margaret ever went back.  I believe she remarried.  At some point I will find my notes on this.  Margaret is not my direct line - her brother John is - and I stumbled on census records and went down the rabbit hole....The James Penberthy mentioned in your post is Margaret's brother.

[GazT]

Hi,
thanks for your reply. It's been a while since I have seen anything on this topic, and I have learnt more about these people since doing so.
I'm interested in where you found this information, but we may be talking about different William Cocks. My understanding is that William, the husband of Margaret Penberthy, died in Redruth in December 1822, aged about 40. My last record on Margaret is in the 1851 Census, when she was 68 and is recorded as a widow. I have two records of death for a Margaret Cock, both in Redruth. The first is on January 20 1860, the Royal Cornwall Gazette noted the death at Redruth of Mrs Margaret Cock, aged 76, on January 11. The age equates with Margaret’s birth date, but given her humble circumstances I'm surprised she gets a mention in the Gazette. Her residence is noted in Cornwall Online Parish Clerks' database as The Hill.
Another Margaret Cock is registered as dying in Redruth in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1852. No age given.
Their son William Cock, emigrated to South Australia about 1840 and died there in April 1851.
So I'd be really interested to see your information on William.