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help with explanation IGI(death)
« on: Monday 09 July 07 10:35 BST (UK) »
I am trying to trace further info on George Burnside b1788 Haddington son of William Burnside and Isabel Halliday.I have search SP and Freecen with no luck but on the IGI there is 2 births for my George and 1 death when I bring Georges death record up it actually says Georges birth date and not his death date.Can anybody explain this for me,could it mean George died at birth and if so why is the date not as death.
Fiona

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 July 07 10:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Fiona,

Are the records extracted or submitted?  Submitted records must be checked against originals.

I have found similar problems with records in Kent.

Nanny Jan
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 July 07 11:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Nanny Jan

Thanks for your reply.
Just checked the IGI to find all 3 records are submitted.
Still do not understand the death date being in the birth date unless George died at birth.Any ideas
Fiona

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 July 07 11:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Fiona  :)

I can only see three birth records on the IGI for George, no death record at all.
As they are all submitted records, you would need to check the parish records on Scotland's People to try and confirm the information.

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 July 07 11:51 BST (UK) »
Sometimes, when searching for example for births on the IGI, marriages may come up too. I think when this kind of thing happens, the "random" records are all submitted. I don't understand it, so I generally ignore them.

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 July 07 11:51 BST (UK) »
Hello Fiona,

I do see the death record - but it leads to one of the birth records.

I'm no expert on the beliefs and practices of the LDS.

However, looking at those submitted records, I would think that the 'death' has been entered simply because the LDS member who submitted the record assumed a death (a pretty safe bet given that George was born in 1788!) in order to proceed to baptise him posthumously.

If you click on the source (film number) on the submitted entries, you will see that
a) one (184272) brings up 'Salt Lake City temple endowments for the dead, 1893-1970; heir indexes, 1924-1956; baptisms for the dead, 1941-1970, 1893-1970', and
b) one brings up 170408 - 'Baptisms for the dead, 1888-1944; heir indexes 1888-1955', and
c) one brings up 458591 - 'Sealings for the dead, couples and children (includes some living spouses and children), 1944-1970; heir index, 1944-1972, 1944-1972'

So I doubt that any conclusions can be drawn about when George died ...

You might wish to check out the baptism record on SP (there does seem to be one for a George BURNSIDE bap 1788).

JAP

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 July 07 12:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks PRUE and Ruskie for replying.

Jap

Thanks also for your reply,I have already checked out George Burnside baptism,the only certain info I can find on him,no marriage or death record apart from IGI death.I can only assume George died before records began.  Fiona

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 July 07 14:11 BST (UK) »
Hi again Fiona,

I guess it's not at all unlikely that George, bap 1788, died before 1855 (start of statutory registration in Scotland).

Unfortunately, according to the FHL catalogue, the Haddington OPRs don't include deaths/burials.

Perhaps there might be some MIs ...

Regards,

JAP

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Re: help with explanation IGI(death)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 July 07 14:30 BST (UK) »
Jap again thanks for your help.

I have been searching for so long trying to find anything on George Burnside,I have info on all his sibling but nothing on him.I will give it one last try by emailing East Lothian Library. Thanks again
Fiona