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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:13 BST (UK) »
Looking at the picture my immediate reaction is that:

1)   I don’t think this is anything to do with an “amateur dramatics group” (I’m speaking here as someone with thespian tendencies!).  It’s certainly a posed photograph (as was the norm then) but the poses don’t look theatrical.
2)   I think the beards are real (odd-looking maybe, but real).
3)   The shoes are definitely not tap-dancing shoes. Quote: “by the 1920s metal plates, or taps, had been added to leather-soled shoes”  see: http://www.offjazz.com/tp-hist.htm
4)   My gut reaction is that the group are all to do with boats – either river or sea.
5)   The pull-on hats suggest to me that the wearers are all part of a team – rather than part of their working clothes.
6)   The man in the middle on the right – with his leg over the shoulder of the man in front of him – suggests to me that there wasn’t room, comfortably, for his right leg to be behind the man in front.
7)   As for the monkey – their mascot?  :)


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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 16:32 BST (UK) »
Great how we all see a different side to things...and chastise me all you want, the other thread is busy and I can't get on...and some links on here don't work for me as well ::) That's my excuse if repeating the same old nonsense & I'm sticking to it...

  Although this does look more like a work crew than a theatrical crew, It could be that is so, but that they got together to put on a performance...
  Later than dated above...perhaps Jules Verne captured them to don costume  :D ... (  movie costumes are nothing like the book's versions either... ) Boaters and ribboned sailor's hats would have been easily accessible as  it was a fashion circa 1870...
Your ancestor ( we all want the dapper looking one to be ours) looks like a dashing Cpt. Nemo to me!  ;D

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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 16:44 BST (UK) »
Another thought might be, that if these were indeed sailors, wouldn't an image of the ship behind them have been more typical...as to have a group of sailors all go down to the local photographers for a group photo just doesn't sound right to me....Unless, of course, it was right beside the tattoo parlour!  ;)  J.J.
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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 17:09 BST (UK) »

Don't know if this is applicable ... but I found this ....... not sure if the date is right ...  ::)

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_prince_albert_1864.htm

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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 21:48 BST (UK) »
http://www.atlantic-cable.com/Cableships/GreatEastern/G-E-loss-of-1865-cable.jpg
Here are several caps depicted in this illustration of a ship's crew...dated:1865
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Re: The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 22:04 BST (UK) »
I've just emailed the Royal Thames Yacht Club (RTYC).. so we'll see what they think.
Here's their site, out of interest: http://royalthames.co.uk
Ive read that in 1887, to celebrate the Queen's Golden Jubilee, members of the RTYC sailed...
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over a course of 1,520 nautical miles round the British Isles. Later meetings at the Albemarle Street Club House refferred to this event as the Jubilee Yacht Race.
If this is the event, it would pitch the photograph in my guessed decade of the 1880s quite nicely.

Hello all,
Firstly thanks to JJ for pointing me at this thread, I hadn't seen it and have just spent a good while reading back through all the replies!  :D

Andrew, I'm with you - my first though was that this photo dates to the 1880s or possibly 1890s.   I also came up with the Royal Thames Yacht Club conclusion after seeing the acronym on the jumpers. 

The appearance of these men does seem somewhat theatrical and odd, but I think that's just because we are so far removed from what was 'normal' for such people back in those days.  I've got pics of my rellies from the 1870s and 80s with huge, bushy fringe beards and no moustache - to me they look like Amish men, but only because that's my only reference point. 

Is the uniform your g-g-grandfather is wearing typical of railway workers at the time?

Prue

P.S.  I'm with your dad - monkeys make my skin crawl!  :o :o :o

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Re:The mystery and the monkey (can you help identify?)
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 20 September 07 00:11 BST (UK) »
Wouldn't want you to miss out on the fun, when this is your specialty...  ;D  :) ;D 
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The more naval type sailors wore their caps upside down, right :P haha
Wonder which style kept the water off best?  HHHHHMMMMMMM...
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