McKay/MacKay & Carmichael (Mc Michael)

[Graser5]

I am interested in finding more information on the family of Jeremiah MacKay (1827-1865) and Anne Carmichael (1828-1880).  IGI records record no less than three marriage dates with two different sets of names for each - one set of marriages in Dumbarton, another set in Rothesay.
JEREMIAH MACKAY Male
Spouse:  ANNE CARMICHAEL 
Marriage:  28 AUG 1852   Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
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Jeremiah MacKie and Ann MacMichael
Married Sept 10, 1852
Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
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ANN MACMICHAEL   Female   
Father:  DENNIS MACMICHAEL 
Spouse:  JEREMIAH MACKIE  Family
Marriage:  16 SEP 1852   Rothesay, Bute, Scotland

I've also got two different individuals noted as Jeremiah's father: a Charles and a James.

Very confusing!

[MonicaL]

Hi Graser5

IGI includes entries that are actual extract from the Old Parish Registers and submitted entries by members, which can be inaccurate

The entries you are looking at on IGI include two actual extracts from the OPRs which can be verified and one submitted entry (the 10 Sept 1852) which could simply be an error. You need to verify this info from another source, normally Scotlands People OPR index.

In respect of the actual extract entries on IGI:
28 AUG 1852   Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
16 SEP 1852   Rothesay, Bute, Scotland

These entries will be either the Banns being read in the parishes the bride and groom lived in at the time of the marriage (the later one could also be the marriage itself).

In respect of father's names on the OPR extracts showing on IGI, depending on whether you search with either Jeremiah's name first or Ann (MAC)Carmichael:

Charles is down as Jeremiah's father - 16 Sept. entry
Dennis is down as Ann's father - 16 Sept entry

Given that the date of marriage is 1852, you should hopefully be able to find Jeremiah and Ann with their families in the 1841/51 censuses to help you verify - or look at their death certs. if they died in Scotland which will also included parents' names.

Regards.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

You might struggle getting back much further that Jeremiah and Ann (although there is a chink of light!).

This is probably their entry on the 1861 census (the surname looks to have been mistranscribed on the index I am looking at):

Jeremiah McRay    35, ship's carpenter, b. Ireland
Ann McRay 30, b. Ireland
John McRay 2, b. Dumbarton
Malcom McDead 46, lodger, b. ireland

Address: 3 xxx, Dumbarton

The children showing for Jeremiah and Ann on IGI:

1. ANN MC KAY Birth: 10 JAN 1855 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
2. JANE MC KAY  Birth: 19 MAR 1857 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
3. JOHN MC KAY Birth: 04 APR 1859 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
4. JAMES MC KAY Birth: 14 APR 1861 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
5. ROBERT MC KAYBirth: 16 JUN 1863 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland

You have an 1855 birth entry above (by some days!). 1855 was the first year of official registration in Scotland. For one year only the entries ran over two pages of the register and included a wealth of additional info that by 1856 was not given.

For birth certs. it should show the date and place of parents' marriage, where they were from, how many children they had (alive and deceased) etc.

With Irish ancestry, this may be the only chance of finding out where the parents were from. As you can see from the 1861 census entry, most of the time, only Ireland was written up as the place of birth on censuses leaving you with no idea where in Ireland they were from.

I hope you are lucky ~ I would start by looking at Ann's birth cert. on Scotlands People.

Regards.

Monica 


   

[Graser5]

Thanks for the leads, it is most appreciated.

[Graser5]

FYI the recommendation on the 1855 birth record for daughter Ann was right on target: Jeremiah from Ballintoy, Antrim and Ann from Romoan, Antrim which was just adjoining.  Now to the task of tracking down two Antrim families...

[MonicaL]

I am really chuffed for you  Why don't you try a new post on the Antrim board to try and follow up on their families?

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

I was just double checking the 1851 Census to see whether Jeremiah and Ann were over with family.

On the 1851, Jeremiah is by himself:

Jeremiah McKay, 24, ship's carpenter, lodger, b. Ireland
Address:Castle Street, Dumbarton

Can't easily see an entry for Ann as yet.

Regards.

Monica