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Re: Omdurman
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 15 July 07 13:24 BST (UK) »
How about listing the things we can definately get from the photograph:
1. Spurs - Therefore Cavalry Unit
2. Medal Ribbons - Therefore Soldier with several campaigns/years under his belt.
3. Officer - Sam Browne Belt and pistol
4. Collar Patches - I wonder if they are the old red 'staff officer' type tags.

Perhaps if we can extract as much information from combined observations, we might just narrow it down sufficiently.

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Dixon - London/Liverpool
Morris - Liverpool
Williams - Liverpool
Hill - Gloucester
Walker - London
Nelson - Liverpool
Martin - Gloucester
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 July 07 13:43 BST (UK) »

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 July 07 14:33 BST (UK) »
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2. Medal Ribbons - Therefore Soldier with several campaigns/years under his belt.

Noticed that too! Thought this might count against him being 21 Lancers, because Sudan/Omdurman was the regiment's first taste of active campaigning. But of course it's perfectly possible he transferred regiments as well  :-\
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 July 07 21:30 BST (UK) »
  http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/lg300998.html

More names to go through.

There is a        Lieutenant-Colonel   L A HOPE Army Service Corps 

Could this be him?
(only because someone with far better eyes than I have noted the surname could be HOPE) and if you look at it and sit back and squint (as they recommend) you can see the name HOPE.  The first name could be Lewis (as someone else said) or Lewin and the middle initial definitely an A.....
What do you think Annie?

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 July 07 21:43 BST (UK) »

Thanks Susan  !! ;)

Looks like my friend Redvers Buller is in the middle of things again ! .... lets wait for the guys that know these things !!!!!

The Army Service Corps (1888)

Between 1878 and 1885 only 3 extra transport Companies were raised and in order to meet a War Office Mobilisation Plan the ASC was expanded to 2 cadres each by the splitting-up of the majority of the existing transport Companies.  The Quartermaster General, Sir Redvers Buller, drew attention to the need to reform the supply and transport service and of the serious shortage of subalterns.

Under Buller's initiative, the Commissariat and Transport Staff and Corps were replaced by a wholly combatant branch of the Army, to be called by the old name, Army Service Corps.  An officer would join when young, make transport and supply his career and his pay, promotion etc would be fixed along the lines of the Royal Engineers.

The appointment of the Commissary General was abolished and ASC officers were entitled to become part of the Quartermaster General's staff, including the Assistant Quartermaster General.  The first to hold this post was Colonel H S E Reeves.

During the 10 years which followed the formation of the new ASC it was never actually put to the test in large enough numbers in order to determine its abilities in a theatre of war.  By 1898 the ASC had formed into Brigades  and Divisions and had finally taken shape developing a regimental identity and an esprit de corps   Much of the credit for this was due to Lieutenant Colonel Ernest Grattan, commanding the ASC at Aldershot.  It was he who was responsible for the Corps motto and it was his idea to publish the Corps Journal in 1891.

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 15 July 07 21:51 BST (UK) »
Annie,
Pleasure has been all mine......
 the link mentions Omdurman and gives all the troops that mustered there.
It would be lovely to find out who this chap was.
I only got as far as Hope when looking and bells were going off in my head when I saw the name under Transport.
Suddenly I thought of horses, spurs, his johpurs, crop etc.....
Let's hope your man knows the answer.
Waiting in Hope  LOL........ (perhaps THAT was his name !!!)
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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 15 July 07 22:02 BST (UK) »
Great find, Susan.

If there is someone who could check the Army Lists for that year, we should be able to find out what Lt Col Hope's first names were.

Anyone going to The National Archive soon?

Thudders
Dixon - London/Liverpool
Morris - Liverpool
Williams - Liverpool
Hill - Gloucester
Walker - London
Nelson - Liverpool
Martin - Gloucester
Simcock - Liverpool

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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 15 July 07 22:49 BST (UK) »
Thudders,
Posting gone all to pot.
had downloaded Army list 1888

Lewis Anstruther HOPE

Listed as Liet.Col and as a Major ??

It says Uniform of Commisarit Transport (ASC)
Uniform Colour:  Blue
Facings:              Blue Velvet
Edgings:             White

Will try to cut and paste bits of the things I have downloaded but posted this for now. Perhaps someone can look him up on Google....
Susan.

Ps he is also in Army list of 1904..  Still ASC (but Liet.Col).  Maybe the major bit is wrong, perhaps my eyes have gone to cock or maybe he was acting.....(major that is !!)

I cannot upload DjViue or Bitmap images so I am stuck.  Will have to see if I can save these as Jpeg or something.
Sorry.