Thomas and Elizabeth PRYN of Bodmin

[GazT]

Again, Thanks Valda.

The wedding certificate has been ordered.

I also take your point about assumptions, I only use them as a starting point for investigation, trying to work from what seem the most obvious clues, at first.

I also found a couple of more Pryns aboard the Reliance today, though with slightly different spelling:

PRYN   JANE   64   MAR   1850   RELIANCE   5   87
PRYN   WILLM   -   MAR   1850   RELIANCE   5   88

and, without assuming too much, Jane could be, perhaps, Thomas' mother.

best wishes
Gaz

 

[Valda]

PRYNN, Jinepher   
Father:Lightfoot John
Mother:Johns Phillipa
Age at Death:62
Death Place:W Melb
Reg Year:1887 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:3219

English marriage
Marriages Mar 1849 
Lightfoot  Jennifer  St Columb  9 74   
Pryn  William  St Columb St  9 74

PRYNN, Elizabeth Brabin
Father:William
Mother:Jenipher
Event Place:Collingwood
Reg Year:1852 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:20674 Parish:St Marks Collingwood, CofE

PRYNN, Elizabeth   
Father:Perry William
Mother:U
Age at Death:58
Death Place:Blackwood
Reg Year:1888 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:432   

What parents’ names are given on Thomas' death in 1907?

Unknown Pryn death - is he another brother to Thomas?

PRYNN, John   
Father:Thomas
Mother:Howett Jane
Age at Death:32
Birthplace:Corn
Reg Year:1863 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1023

PRYNN, John            
Marriage
ARTHUR, Ann         
Reg Year:1854 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1110   

PRYNN, John Arthur   
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Event Place:Geelong
Reg Year:1855 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1918
PRYNN, John Arthur   
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:5
Birthplace:Gee
Reg Year:1860 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7214   

PRYNN, William   
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Event Place:C'Wood
Reg Year:1857 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:13007
PRYNN, William   
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:3
Birthplace:Col
Reg Year:1860 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7666   

PRYNN, Ann Jane   
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:17
Birthplace:Unknown
Reg Year:1877 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7988   

Regards

Valda

[GazT]

Wow! That's very impressive, and that's an understatement.

If it's not rude (or dumb) to ask, how do you get your hands on that material so efficiently? Perhaps if I could do it, I wouldn't feel (or be) such a burden on folk like you.

Thomas' death certificate, signed by his son Frank, lists as parents: "unknown" and says he was married at 27, in England, to Elizabeth Perry.

At the VPRO there was also a note of a Jane Pryn, marrying a Richard Howarth in Blackwood, Victoria, in 1854. No mention of any children to them, nor mention of her parents.

Thomas and Elizabeth had  five children born in Blackwood between 1858 and 1869.

I hadn't been able to find a death certificate for Elizabeth Pryn(n), but I'd better look harder given the 1888 reference. I must have been doing something wrong - again.

Thanks so much for your hard work. I'm incredibly impressed.

GazT

[Valda]

PRYN, Jane   
HOWORTH, Richard         
Reg Year:1854 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:2103   

Only Howarth deaths I can find – but then my coverage of Victoria vital statistics is only 1837-1888. However you can access Victoria vital statistics for all years online at

http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256C7100199CBE/page/Births+Deaths+and+Marriages+Online+Shop-Births+Deaths+and+Marriages+Online+Shop?OpenDocument&1=0-Births+Deaths+and+Marriages+Online+Shop~&2=0-Births+Deaths+and+Marriages+Online+Shop~&3=~#search

HOWARTH, Richard   
Father:U
Age at Death:79
Birthplace:Lanc
Reg Year:1875 Reg State Victoria
Ref Number:13299   

HOWARTH, Jane   
Father:Arthur Willi
Age at Death:89
Birthplace:Engl
Reg Year:1875 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:3438   

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

This is a possibility for Jennifer Lightfoot's parents - I can't find her on the 1841 census, but St Breock registers in St Columb registration district.

HO107 149/5 folio 9
Burlorn St Breock Cornwall
John Lightfoot 50  born Cornwall Ag lab
Phillippa Lightfoot 45 Born Cornwall 
John Lightfoot 15 born Cornwall
Jane Lightfoot 74  Born Cornwall

Two households away are the family of Richard and Maria Lightfoot. On the 1851 census they have a daughter called Jennifer (Jane on the 1841 census).

You can find St Breock and Bodmin on Google map facilities.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&tab=wl&q=

Regards

Valda

[GazT]

Thanks.

Have purchased three certificates.

1: Elizabeth Pryn. Died.24 February 1888 of typhoid fever aged 58.
Father, William Perry, farmer. Mother unknown.
Informant, William Byres, son-in-law (married Annie Pryn in 1878)
Born: St Mabyn Cornwall. 37 years in the colony of Victoria.
Married, Cornwall, at age of 21 years, to Thomas Pryn.
Children: John, dead; William, dead; Mary Jane, 35, Thomas, dead; Elizabeth, 30; Annie, 27; Frank, 25; Grace, 22; Sarah, 18.

2: Jane Pryn wed Richard Howorth.
Widow since 8 july, 1842. Three living children, two dead from former marraige.
Born St Mabyn, Cornwall
Housewife, aged 65. Richard, 56.
Father: William Arthur, labourer. Mother Elizabeth (Mubard???)

3: Jane Howarth died 23 January 1873.
Father: William Arthur
Born: England, 28years in Victoria.
Husband: Richard Howarth. No issue.

A very successful search thanks to you.
GazT
 

[Valda]

A possibility from the 1841 census - adult ages (those over the age of 15 are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census only)

HO107 152/11 folio 21
Highway St Mabyn Cornwall
William Perry 55  born Cornwall Ag lab
Christopher Perry 15 born Cornwall
Elizabeth Perry 15 born Cornwall

As I can't find any of the Pryns on the 1841 census (and I've searched three different census indexes for 1841 so the name must be written really badly) and while I'm spending your money do you want to try for the death of John to see what parish he was born in, or search for William's death and see what he says his parents were called and whether they agree with John's death details? The Pryns of course may not in 1841 be in the parish of John or William's birth (if they were brothers and brothers to Thomas) but it might be worth a try.

Jane Pryn who married Richard Howarth had the maiden name of Arthur (as in John's wife's maiden name) and not Howlett as in John's mother as specified on his death. Might be worth searching the Reliance to see how many Arthurs were onboard.
 
The only male death in the September quarter (covering July) of 1842 in Cornwall and therefore the possible first husband of Jane who married Richard Howarth.

Deaths Sep 1842   
Pryn  Thomas    St.Columb Major  9 41

Regards

Valda

[GazT]

Hi Valda,

I'll have another look at the Reliance to see who's on board. My experience seems to indicate that families travelled en masse during the goldrushes. I have another line where 11 family members, all women and children, came to Australia, 18 months after an advance party of menfolk. And that's without checking for in-laws.

It's hard to envisage the geography of Cornwall from this wide brown land, but would an address of 'Highway, St Mabyn' indicate a farmer, as shown on  Elizabeth's death certificate?

I'm embarrassed at the time and effort you've put in on my behalf, but who knows what's out there?

As for spending my money, don't worry too much about it. I don't have any.

Cheers
GazT

[Valda]

1841 census Ag lab = Agriculutral labourer and therefore farmed the land - but just for someone else.
Highway =  the main/public road

St. Mabyn

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/StMabyn/index.html

and

http://www.stmabyncornwall.co.uk/

which also has baptisms - but not for Elizabeth or Christopher Perry - drat!
Plus map of the village in 1839.

14 Arthurs on the Reliance including 3 Anns.

Regards

Valda