1891, 1901 Thomas Griffiths Lookup COMPLETED

[English Daisy]

Would appreciate receiving more family information, from the
1891 and 1901 Censuses, on the following Griffiths couple.

Thomas Griffiths

Christened:   Pembrey, Llanelly,  on May 24, 1857
In 1881 Census, Thomas was a Engine Driver Stationary

Rebecca Griffiths (maiden unknown)
In 1881 Census, Rebecca was age 21
Birthplace:   Llangennech, Carmarthen

Kind regards
English Daisy

[wozzle]

1891.RG12/4492/69/32.
thomas age 35. b. llanelly. occ. boiler stoker. head.
rebecca age 32. b. llanelly. wife.
mary ann age 9. b. llanelly. daughter
sarah age 6. b. llanelly. daughter.
llewelyn age 2. b. llanelly. son.
living at colliers road,llanelly.

[osprey]

marriage march qtr 1881 Thomas Griffiths Llanelly vol 11a pg 818 with Rebecca Hughes on the same page.
Thomas & Rebecca are living with her parents in 1881.

[osprey]

1901 Brynbach farm (next to St David's Colliery), Bryn, Llanelly RG13/5086 folio 195 pg 24
Thomas Griffiths head mar 43 engine driver
Rebecca wife 41
Llewellyn son 12
William T son 8
Margaret J dau 5
all born Bryn and all Welsh speaking

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey and Wozzle

That was fast!!!!!!  Thank you so much.

I also need information on Thomas's two brothers, William and John.

Any help from you or other volunteers would be appreciated!

Their Parents:

Ann and Thomas Griffiths
Married March 31, 1837 in Llanelly Parish

William Griffiths

Christened:  Aug. 5, 1850,  Pembrey
Last reported living at home,  age 10, in 1861 Census
Scholar

Information on William needed from 1871 to 1901 censuses.

John Griffiths

Christened:  Sept. 13, 1846, Pembrey
John still living at home, age 24, in 1871 Census
Occup:  Lead works

Information on John needed from 1881 to 1901 Censuses.
I searched the 1881 census, but could not find either brother!

Thank you

Kind regards
English Daisy

[osprey]

Well, I have a suggestion for John but I'm not really sure, think you might need his marriage cert to confirm. Hengoed is next to Pembrey.

1881 Casthouse, Hengoed RG11/5375 folio 143 pg 39
John Griffiths head mar 33 tinplate worker b. Carms
Jane wife 24
Mary Anna dau 2
Martha dau 3 weeks b. Llanelly
There is a bit torn from the corner of the census page and only Martha has a place of birth. Ancestry has Martha as 3 years old, but it's definitely weeks.
Only one Martha Griffiths registered in Llanelli around that time
Martha Ann Griffiths june qtr 1881 Llanelly vol 11a pg 799

Only one likely marriage as well
John Griffiths june qtr 1878 Llanelly vol 11a pg 787 with Jane Emmanuel on the same page.

1891 3 Stradey Rd, Hengoed RG12/4496 folio 135 pg 12
John Griffiths head mar 43 tin worker
Jane wife 37
William son 12 scholar
Martha dau 11 scholar
Esther dau 6 scholar
Beatrice dau 4 scholar
Rees Emmanuel boarder 60 coal miner
Esther boarder's wife 67 b. Llangennech
Lizzie boarder's dau 17 rubber at tin works
William boarder's grandson 5 scholar
all born Llanelly except where stated and all Welsh speaking

Now, where is Mary Anna and where did William come from? I think one of them may be a mistake, or they could have been staying with relatives on alternate census nights in order to confuse us.

1901 3 Stradey Rd,  RG13/5090 folio 88 pg 3
John Griffiths head mar 53 tin plate worker in tin works b. Pontyberem
Jane wife 46
M Ann dau 20
Esther dau 16
Beatrice dau 13
William Rees son 12
David John son 10
Henry son 6
Rees Emmanuel boarder single 71 collier cutter retired(?)
William Emmanuel boarder 15 tin worker in tin works
all born Llanelly except where stated. John giving Pontyberem as his place of birth is a bit of a spanner in the works. It's yet another area of Llanelli. I've had a look on earlier census entries and I can't find a John b. 1846ish living in Pontyberem or giving it as his place of birth.
As I said before, the marriage cert would confirm John's father.
I do like families who have the in-laws living with them even if they do call them boarders. Makes identifying the marriages so much easier.
 

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Wow!  Lots to read on John Griffiths Jr.!

Going to sit down and read each line carefully to
try and understand the family dynamics!

Thank you
English Daisy

[wozzle]

possibly william 1871 RG10/5468/64/28.
william griffiths age. 21. b. llanelly. occ. coal miner. head.
sarah griffiths age 32. b. llanelly. occ. housekeeper. aunt.
living at (looks like) 22 unwin street. llanelly.

this is a better match for him in 1881. RG11/5376/33/11.
william griffiths age 31. b. pembrey,carmarthenshire. occ. calcinerman at copper works. head.
jane griffiths age 30. b. pembrey,carmarthenshire. wife.
margaret.j. griffiths age 7mnths. b. pembrey. daughter.
mary.m. richards age 7. b. pembrey. step-daughter.
margaret richards age 41. b. llangeier,carmarthenshire. occ. dressmaker. boarder.(unmarried)
living at 8 park terrace. pembrey,carmarthenshire.

[osprey]

marriage for the second William to check father's name
William Griffiths sept qtr 1879 Llanelly vol 11a pg 784 with Jane Richards on the same page.
The 1891 entry has some promising middle names, but then John & Ann aren't exactly uncommon
3 Silver Row, Pembrey RG12/4497 folio 24 pg 1
William Griffiths head mar 39 copper smelter
Jane wife 41
Margaret J dau 10
William John son 6
Charlotte dau 5
Elizabeth Ann dau 3
all born Pembrey, all Welsh speaking

1901 3 Silver Row, Pembrey RG13/5091 folio 44 pg 30
William Griffiths head mar 50 general labourer copperworks
Jane wife 50
Margaret J dau 20
William J son 19 general labourer tin works
Charlotte S dau 16
Lizzie A dau 13
all b. Pembrey, all speaking both Welsh & English

But there are several other William Griffiths b. 1849/1850 in Llanelli/Pembrey, some of them no longer living in Carmarthenshire.