Waldie Coal Merchants

[mrs magoo]

hello i am new here so please be patient with me.
I was wondering if anyone knew my ancestors name in water of leith. my great grandad was james  waldie and i know there was a family of waldies that were coal merchants. in the 1800"s i think. where would i find out if my james was part of that family. i have no parents names for him except his dad may have been david waldie
karen

[Boongie Pam]

Hiya Mrs Magoo,

A very warm welcome to Rootschat to you.

I've split your post so it stands out on it's own so I hope you get some special attention for your Waldies.

Do you have any estimated dates of birth for James?

All the best,
Pam
 

[MonicaL]

Hi Mrs Magoo

You will need to find some confirmation of your James's parents from either his birth cert, marriage or death (assuming he married/died in Scotland).

There are cut offs to what you can look at on line on Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs (the costs are reasonable). Births - 1906, Marriages - 1931 and Deaths - 1956.

I can see the family of coal merchants you referred to in the 1901 Census. Headed by a James Waldie and a son David shows in the household. All the children are showing as born in Leith:

James Waldie    69, coal merchant, b. Edinburgh
Catherine Charlotte Waldie 61, b. Ireland
Catherine Emma Waldie    24
Bessie Bryce Waldie    22
David Ewing Waldie    20
Sarah Marcella Waldie    18
Roberta Campbell Waldie 16
Jessie Clark 47, servant cook
Janet Coutts 25, housemaid

Address: Laverock Bank Rd The Grove, Leith North

Regards.

Monica

[mrs magoo]

thankyou very much for your replies, I only just found this forum and it looks pretty good, i didn't know where to -post my specific querry so i am glad you noticed it.
My great grandad james william waldie lived in leith but not sure how long, my dad never had any info on him. I know james was born 1855 and he married a naomi gilbert but in nz.
There first child was david waldie and that is why i wondered if james father might be david as the scottish families named there eldest after their parents parent.
some waldies three brothers i think were coal merchants
but i don't know where to look to find out and how to find james family left behind in leith. I don't know if james parents came to nz too. I have searched everywhere.
I have just subcrribed to one great family for 3month s so maybe now i may get somewhere.
karen

[MonicaL]

Hi Karen

Apart from the submitted entry for James on IGI with a birth of 15 Aug 1855, I'm not seeing a corresponding entry for him on Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMD certificates/images. Official registration began in 1855 in Scotland, so it would show if it was this year.

On the 1861 Census I can see two entries for a James, child with father David (birth years between 1850-60 but their birth places are not in Midlothian and father David x2 each  show unconnected occupations to the coal business).

There is another David, Coal Merchant, born Leith showing in 1871, but his son James was not born until 1864 according to his age on the census.

Have you tried searching for your James's marriage or death cert in NZ, hopefully they should include details of his parents' names.


Regards.

Monica

[mrs magoo]

hi, yes i've tried nz but haven't puchased any certificates.i've been trying to locate my james first before i get a cert but it's very hard to find any info.
those waldies could be related but if james father was david he'd be born around 1830.
i am working on my one world tree so hopefully james parents will appear soon.
thankyou if you see anything more please let me know.
monica, those names are some of the same namess james used for his children.
i have a jessie, janet,and david. all born nz.and margaret my grandmother.
other children were robert,mabel,ethel?,kate,grace ,james liz?i'd have to check my notes but i'm pretty sure. and they had 11 children.

[runningbear]

hi karen,

had a wee look at your post, from the earliest census record i can see only 2 brothers as coal merchants, but that is not to say a third joined later.

1841 census- steads place...st. cuthbert's...midlothian

james...age 35...coal merchant
margaret...age 35
james...age 10
margaret...age 8
david...age 6
charles...age 3
jessie...age 1
robert (maybe this is his brother)...age 25...coal merchant
margaret fife...age 70

only the children are showing as born midlothian.


always searching

Joe

[mrs magoo]

hello joe, wow i wonder if david age 6 is my james dad, all his brothers and sisters names are used in james children.
how can i find out? i know i won't find anything in nz.
i feel so close to finding out.
karen

[MonicaL]

Karen

This is the family headed by a David, coal merchant, that I referred to earlier and I am pretty confident originally from the family found by Joe in 1841:

David Waldie    35, coal merchant, b. North Leith
Margaret Waldie 22, b. Ayr
Alex B Waldie    8
James P Waldie    7
Wm Blackwood Waldie 3
Elizabeth G Banter 17, servant
Margaret Glass    22, servant

Address: 6 Grove St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts


These are the birth of the children showing to David and Margaret Blackwood on IGI:

1. ALEXANDER BLACKWOOD WALDIE  Birth: 27 APR 1862 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
2. JAMES PATERSON WALDIE  Birth: 09 FEB 1864 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
3. DAVID WALDIE Birth: 19 FEB 1866 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
4. WILLIAM BLACKWOOD WALDIE Birth: 04 JUL 1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
5. MARGARET MC LEAN WALDIE  Birth: 25 JUN 1872 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland



Karen, the problem we have here is one of verification. There is no entry showing for a James (William) Waldie b. 1855 +/- 2yrs, and none with a father David in that period where the father has an occupation related to the coal industry.

The only ones showing on the later censuses are either the family above headed by a David or the family headed by a James that I posted earlier. Both their sons called James look to have been born in the early 1860s.

Without some form of verification from NZ documents, it is hard to be more definite.

Regards.

Monica