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Offline kerryb

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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 July 07 21:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Stan

Thank you for your help.  But what is a communicant member?

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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 July 07 21:38 BST (UK) »
A communicant is someone who has been confirmed, which is something done by the bishop. I was told (by a bishop) when questioning why there were so many bishops nowadays when two centuries ago there were half as many (approx), not to mention the assistant bishops we now have, that the Bishop of Lincoln confirmed 30,000 people in one year. I suppose these days that for one diocese to have 1,000 confirmations in a year would be a big deal, but the time spent going around doing these confirmations must have been enormously onerous.

This is all to do with the CofE practice of infant baptisms and means that when the person has reached the age whereby they can say for themselves that they want to be practising members of the church, that they get confirmed in their faith. It requires prior baptism and at most confirmation services, one or more candidates will get baptised as that has not been done before.

I do know that in my own parish 200 years ago, when the congregation numbered 250 or more, communion was only taken by 10% of this number, so clearly there were distinctions in those days and I'd be very interested if anyone can explain the whys and wherefores. I always thought it was because attendance was compulsory at the time, but I may be wrong.
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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 July 07 21:41 BST (UK) »
Arr thanks for that Nick, I was brought up in the Bretheren so Adult baptism was the norm and dedications as a baby, so I am unfamiliar with the CofE ways. 

Kerry  ;)
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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #12 on: Monday 23 July 07 01:25 BST (UK) »
Stan

Thanks, once again, for providing the factual background to this.  I have learned so much from your posts!

Just wanted to add, though, that the enforcement of this varied widely.  Some C of E churches were known to have a "two chairs, no waiting" policy where there was no detailed investigation of the religious background of the people being married.  My RC ancestors found one such church, the parish church of St Marylebone in London, where they married by licence to satisfy the requirements of the law.

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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #13 on: Monday 23 July 07 20:32 BST (UK) »
I have two ancestors married at a very early age in Manchester Cathedral. Apparently it was very common then to do that to get around the awkward problem of parental consent. When I found this, it made an enormous difference to my tree as all the names fitted. I had been fooled because the person I thought had become a parent at 32 was in fact a grandparent at that age! Gave me another generation in my tree though.
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Lincs - Berry
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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 July 07 20:35 BST (UK) »
Maybe that explains why I have some ancestors who went from Sussex to London to marry for no apparent reason then when they came from and returned to Sussex.

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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 21:35 BST (UK) »
Dear All
Until quite recently communion was something many people only occasionally took part in, despite being confirmed.  The Book of Common Prayer requires people to take communion at least three times a year - Easter, and two others - probably Christmas would be one of them.  Even in the 1970s the Vicar in my church in Burton-on-Trent was having trouble getting people to communicate regularly.  I think for many people there was an issue of "unworthiness".
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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 22:41 BST (UK) »
Dear All
  I think for many people there was an issue of "unworthiness".
Regards LFS

This may be the reason for not taking communion :o
From the Book of Common Prayer
And if any of those be on open and notorious evil liver, or have done any wrong to his neighbours by word or deed, so that the Congregation be thereby offended; the Minister, having knowledge thereof, shall call him and advertise him, that in any wise he presume not to come to the Lord’s Table, until he hath openly declared himself to have truly repented and amended his former naughty life, that the Congregation may thereby be satisfied, which before were offended; and that he hath recompensed the parties, to whom he hath done wrong; or at least declare himself to be in full purpose so to do, as soon as he conveniently may.

The same order shall the Minister use with those betwixt whom he perceiveth malice and hatred to reign; not suffering them to be partakers of the Lord’s Table, until he know them to be reconciled.


http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1689/Communion_1689.htm

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Re: Adult baptism
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 25 July 07 07:31 BST (UK) »
I don't know what books you read Stan but you are a mind of information and very interesting information at that!

Kerry  :)
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