Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??

[PabloC]

Well here she is on the 1841 England Census in Cumberland as Elizabeth Hannah.....year of birth...

1830 !!!...


HO107; Piece 160; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Allhallows; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 7; Page: 8; Line: 7

Cheers Toni!!! I'll take a look at those now...

Paul

[carol8353]

Well done Paul and Toni !

So that 1891 census where she gives her age as 61 was spot on eh?

Usually women have reduced their age by that stage of their lives.

Maybe hubby gave the info on other censuses and he wasn't quite sure,or the enumerator couldn't read his own writing when he came to transfer the info to his summary sheet.

Carol

Edit......date of census above should read 1891 NOT 1901 oops

[PabloC]

My mistake....

Thomas, was Elizabeth's father...not John!! That was her brother!

So, it was Thomas and Mary Hannah. William's middle name was after his grandfather!

Paul

[carol8353]

Well here she is on the 1841 England Census in Cumberland as Elizabeth Hannah.....year of birth...
1830 !!!...
HO107; Piece 160; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Allhallows; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 7; Page: 8; Line: 7
Paul

If this 1841 family are correct ,then the 1824 baptism of Elizabeth,Catherine and John, on the IGI is not.

I certainly think that the 1851 Elizabeth is Catherine's sister.And that surely is mum and dad, John and Mary on the page before at 40 Woolfe Street.

Sorry to say Paul I don't think you have the right Hannah family in 1841.

Catherine should be 18 and Elizabeth 15....and she isn't 

Carol

[toni*]

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Sorry to say Paul I don't think you have the right Hannah family in 1841.

Catherine should be 18 and Elizabeth 15....and she isn't 

Carol

they rounded the ages down to the nearest 5 in 1841 of people over the age of 14 it wasnt too uncommon to have 2 / 3 children listed as being 15 when in fact they were 16, 17, 18 for example

[carol8353]

I've found them Paul  mistranscribed as HANNAY.

Living in St Bees Whitehaven,where all the kids were born according to the 1851.

Ref HO 107/ 178 Book 3 Folio 5 .....dad John and Mum Mary.

El;izabeth at the bottom age 15 

Carol

[PabloC]

Actually....yes, I'd rushed on that one a bit. You're right.

I really am going to have to establish a solid link to the Hannah family via a certificate, as I've just managed to establish a further two potential generations from Mary Hannah's (Nee Sullivan) side via the IGI!!  .

Good starting point for further research though!!!

Erm....relatively new to all this, so was just wondering how confident you'd be, given the facts etc that we/you've found that this is the correct line??? Think I absolutely must verfiy the Hannah surname as regards Elizabeth...

Paul

[carol8353]

Paul,

You have to be 100% convinced that the family in 1891,where Elizabeth is 61 and daughter Sarah(Mrs Manion) is 25.......is the same one as in 1871 where Elizabeth is 41 and Sarah is 5,living at 2 Bakehouse Lane.

So far so good 

But are we certain that it is also the same Elizabeth in 1861,where she appears to be 23 or 28 with hubby William 24 and son William T or J age just 1 month. And if so is she the same Elizabeth who in 1851 is 25 and living with her baby son John and her sister 28 year old Catherine(Mrs Richardson)

It doesn't seem to add up does it,and yet there are no other Elizabeth Alexanders that fit.

What a shame that none of us can find her in 1881.......we need an 1881 crimewatch appeal methinks

Is Sarah's 1866 birth cert the only one you have?
Perhaps it's a good idea to get 1863 John's one too,to see what mothers maiden name that gives.

Hopefully Liz will be popping in to this thread later today.......she's SO good at summarising things 

All the best

Carol

[lizdb]

Wow!
I knew we'd get somewhere if Carol got on to the job!!!

 I have only read this through quick, so my mind is buzzing, and I cant quite manage a famous Lizdb summary yet (thanks for the compliment, Carol), but I am still trying to get my mind round why Sarah's birth cert clearly says mum was formely 'Jude' when we have concluded she was a Hannah.

Will read again (and again) and see if I have any thoughts!