Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??

[carol8353]

Lets work backwards in the hope of being able to find Elizabeth in 1881.

Here's the family in 1891,at 60 Gerrard Street,Islington LIverpool.

Henry Manion head 26 brazier and tinsmith b Birmingham
Sarah Manion wife 25 b L'pool
Norah H Manion dau 4 b L'pool
Christina Manion dau 2 b L'pool
John H Manion son 5 mths b L'pool

Elizabeth Alexander widow mother in law 61 charwoman b Keswick Cumberland.

RG12/2919 folio 114 page 44

Carol

[JAP]

Are you sure it is William J in the 1861 census?

There is in the IGI a William Thomas ALEXANDER, parents William ALEXANDER & Elizabeth,
b 22 Feb, bap 18 Dec 1861, St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
FreeBMD has the birth of a William Thomas ALEXANDER, Jun qtr 1861, Liverpool.
And the death of a William Thomas ALEXANDER, Mar qtr 1862, Liverpool.

Perhaps it would be worth getting the birth cert of William Thomas ALEXANDER just
in case Elizabeth's surname on Sarah's birth cert is simply an error of transcription?

I note that Sarah's birth & baptism at St Peter also seem to be in the IGI.
And an 1850 1862 birth & baptism at St Peter of a John, parents William & Elizabeth;
his birthplace is listed as Lambert St, Liverpool - any connexion with the 18561 census address?
(Edited later to correct date; it was the 1862 John, not the 1850 John - who
is also in the St Peter baptisms - who had the Lambert St address).


JAP

[carol8353]

JAP

I think it could just as easily be a T as a J.......difficult to be certain.

By the way the family have been mistranscribed as Alexandeer in 1861.

And I think Elizabeth's age could say 23 .

But the IGI one you'[ve just found sounds like a very possible probable to me 

Carol

[carol8353]

Here goes guys and gals.

What do you think of this scenario.

In 1851 Elizabeth and 9mth old baby John are with Joseph and Catherine Richardson in Woolfe Street,Toxteth Park.Both Catherine and Elizabeth are born in Cumberland.

Free BMD has the marriage of a Catherine Hannah on the same page as Joseph Heaton Pollard RICHARDSON in W Derby in Sept 1849.ref 20 page 954

Free BMD also has the W Derby marriage in West Derby in Sept 1849 of an Elizabeth Hannah and a William James Alexander under the same ref number,of  20 page 955.

A double wedding of two sisters?

Whadyya think 

Carol

[carol8353]

And finally, the IGI has both Catherine and Elizabeth(and a brother John) Hannah,son and daughters of John and Mary being christened on the same day, 20th June 1824 at Holy Trinity,Whitehaven Cumberland.

Carol

[PabloC]

Evening,

Wow. I've head to re-read this about 6 times now to try and get my head around it all!!!

This whole scenario does sound very plausible, even more so because..................

On reading  your entries above, I checked out the 1851 census image again.........

Sure enough, there was Elizabeth and baby John living at 42 Woolfe St with Catherine. Then, I flicked back a page. There, living at 40 Woolfe Street was John and Mary Hannah, with their other children Margaret, Mary and Thomas!

So, Elizabeth was living next door to her parents, lodging with her sister. Elizabeth's son's middle name of Thomas, has obviously come from her brother.

As regards the discrepancy in Elizabeth's year of birth 1824 and 1830...might her husband William have been a fair bit younger than her, so she's lied about her age to lessen the age gap??  Would either of you be that concerned yourselves be the age discrepancy, given the other matching factors??

This really does sound like a promising line to follow. I'll have to check out all of the IGI entries etc, and as you say, perhaps buy the birth certificate of William Thomas Alexander to see what her maiden name is.

Still, that's quite a transcription error isn't it...'Jude'/ Hannah ??!!! Ha ha 

How do you all find these things??  You're like dectectives!!!

Paul

[toni*]

Just a thought

could Elizabeth been breifly married before to a Mr Jude? before marrying William Alexander, if it was betwen census it wouldne show on the census obviously.
so she may have been Elizabeth Hannah on one census, married Mr Jude, Mr Jude died then she remarried William Alexander before the next census,

 

[carol8353]

As regards the discrepancy in Elizabeth's year of birth 1824 and 1830...might her husband William have been a fair bit younger than her, so she's lied about her age to lessen the age gap??  Would either of you be that concerned yourselves be the age discrepancy, given the other matching factors??

Hi Paul

No I wouldn't be at all concerned about an age gap,quite fancy a toy boy myself LOL

I didn't look far enough back to notice the Hannah family next door. Well done 

Toni,

I did think that originally ,till I saw the marriage entries on Free BMD and she sure married as Hannah.

Oh well,do let us know as soon as you get any certs,can't wait to see if my hunch was right.

All the best

Carol....or should that be Sherlock? 

[toni*]

I have looked at the 1881 census and cannot find the family..... together
however i have found these two probable people

Sarah J Alexander, age 14 b. Liverpool working as a silk winder and Lodging with Thomas & Sarah Tetlow at 11 Tonge Street,
RG11 4090  89 21

John Alexander age 17 b. Liverpool working as a Clerk in British Saw Company and lodging with George & Elizabeth Johnston & Family at 99 Beaufort Street, Toxteth Park
RG11 3637 6 10


not sure where Elizabeth is tho'