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Ann Holmes
« on: Thursday 26 July 07 01:30 BST (UK) »
I have a marriage of Ann to Benjamin Carter at Attenborough in 1820 and I have their children born in England.

They came to Australia and Ann died in 1858.  Her parents on her death certificate were given as John Holmes and Ann.  Ann's surname is difficult to make out and could be HODBROOK, HOLBROOK or I found an IGI entry for an ANN
HOLBROCK c 1769 Bulwell to Thomas & Elizabeth which may also be a transcription error

This is one of my major brickwalls and I was hoping someone might be able to put a chink in it for me
by finding the marriage of Ann Holmes parents and any other children they may have had

Many thanks
Sandra



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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 July 07 08:45 BST (UK) »
Hello Sandra….Welcome to Rootschat!  :)


There is this marriage from the Notts FHS Marriage and Baptism index at Bulwell St Mary that looks promising;

Bulwell St Mary – 26th April 1767
THOMAS HOLBROKE & ELIZABETH READ

Baptism’s at Bulwell St Mary
JOHN HOLBRUCK – 26th April 1767, father Thomas
ANN HOLBROOK – 17th September 1769, parents Thomas & Eliz

That’s the first time I have come across a baptism and a marriage on the same day......surely not the same Thomas  ???

Hope this helps a little.

Best Wishes

Sheila.

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 July 07 09:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra,

how old was your Ann Carter/Holmes when she died?

I am thinking she was the Ann baptised Attenborough 04/03/1798 to John and Ann - in which case they also baptised Sarah 20/12/1795 and Mary 26/05/1800
Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 July 07 09:58 BST (UK) »
Hello….

I have had another look to see if I can spot your Ann Holmes, there is this family baptised in Attenborough;

HOLMES, father John, mother Ann
Sarah, 20th Dec 1795
ANN, 4th March 1798
Mary, 26th May 1800
Elizabeth, 21st April 1813 – fathers occupation Weaver

 
There isn’t a marriage for this couple at Attenborough that I can see, it is a bit difficult as there are 34 marriages for John Holmes to an Ann ?

There are these two couple around the right sort of dates;
John Holmes & Ann Brown at Dunham 7th January 1794
John Holmes & Ann Brown at Nottingham St Mary 8th March 1795
……..and both of those are an Ann Brown!  :)

My own 3 x Great-Grandparents were a John Holmes and Ann Scothern but they married in a different part of Nottinghamshire.

Sheila.

Oops sorry Heather, only just discovered you have posted while I was typing, but will post anyway, hope you have some better ideas than I have !


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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 July 07 10:39 BST (UK) »

Oops sorry Heather, only just discovered you have posted while I was typing, but will post anyway, hope you have some better ideas than I have !

 ;D That's OK Sheila, two heads are better than one.

However ...there is an 1805 marriage for Ann Holbrook to Samuel Bostock in Bulwell. They are in the 1841 census age 70, so I think we have to be careful about the Ann born Bulwell in 1769. Although the Ann who married Samuel could have been a widow, she could also have been the dau of Thomas and Elizabeth?
Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 July 07 10:46 BST (UK) »
The marriage bond is online for this 1805 marriage and she is described as Ann Bostock nee Holbrook of Bulwell. This raises a big question mark over the 1769 Ann to Thomas and Elizabeth?

Heather
Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 July 07 12:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather,
It does raise a few questions re the Ann to Thomas & Elizabeth.
The marriage bond you are referring to, are they the ones online at Nottingham Uni site? sometimes I can access them with no trouble then a while ago when I tried my modem quits and I get thrown off, all the lights go out and we have to reset the isp address before I can get back online, it's only that site that causes it, very weird and very frustrating as there is some good info on there....but not for me  :'(

Sheila.

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 July 07 20:00 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your deliberation which happened without me as I was sleeping in Brisbane!

The Anne Brown's family seems to have been claimed by someone who has the family on IGI but the age fits - she was 58 when she died and so I have her age at c 1800 so the family at Attenborough has been the best I have been able to come up with but I've never felt it was right
- she died in 1858 and her father was given as a hosier

The marriage bond for Ann Bostock nee Holbrook looks the most promising - I will see if I can find it on the Nottingham Uni site

Again may thanks

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Re: Ann Holmes
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 July 07 23:36 BST (UK) »
On second thought there may have been a fib abt her age as her husband Benjamin Carter was b at 1789 with christening at Attenborough 1789 - His father was from Wilford and he married Jane Wright 1785 at Bulwell