CAUL family

[wildgoose]

yes you were correct   The writing is very "flowery" - CAUL does look like CAME -  so I can understand why the transcription wasn't accurate.  This is what I made of it:

1871 Cenus recs.
Dwelling: Stare Row
Census Place: Mearns, Renfrewshire
Michael CAUL, head, marr., 41, Mill Tenter, Ireland.
Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 36, RFW, Mearns.
Agnes, daur., 5, Scholar, RFW, Mearns.
Margaret, daur., 3, RFW, Mearns.
Mary, daur., 1 month, RFW, Mearns.
Daniel? WATT, Lodger, unm., 22, Printfield Labourer, Ireland.

[trish251]

Thanks for that    - the main benefit of ancestry is that you can search by given names only and family relationships, so sometimes a badly transcribed surname can be found. I was a bit bothered about 8 year old James - until I noticed she was listed as a daughter 

Pleased that we found them both

Trish

[wildgoose]

Many thanks.  Below is what I've found so far

Dave

Name:   Michael CAUL
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Birth:   1832   Ireland.
Death:   5 8 1896   39 Kilburn St., Barrhead, Renfrewshire1
Occupation:   Calico Printfield Worker
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Father:   Michael CAUL
Mother:   Catherine KEENAN
Marriage:   21 10 1859   St John's Chapel, Portugal St., Hutchesontown, Glasgow.2
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Spouse:   Agnes MCKENNA
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Birth:   1835   Busby, Renfrewshire.
Death:   20 8 1909   Main St., Barrhead, Renfrewshire.3
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Father:   Patrick MCKENNA (1791-)
Mother:   Catherine McCLUSKY (1795-1866)

Children:
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1 M:   John Charles CAUL
Birth:   2 8 1860   Mearns, Renfrewshire.
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2 F:   Catherine CAUL
Birth:   11 9 1862   Mearns, Renfrewshire.
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3 F:   Agnes CAUL
Birth:   25 10 1865   Mearns, Renfrewshire.
Occupation:   Weaver
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4 F:   Margaret CAUL
Birth:   24 2 1868   Mearns, Renfrewshire.
Occupation:   Weaver
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Spouse:   John RUSH
Marriage:   2 1 1893   St John's Roman Catholic Church, Barrhead, Renfrewshire.4
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5 M:   Michael Patrick CAUL
Birth:   8 3 1874   Mearns, Renfrewshire.
Occupation:   Yarnman
Spouse:   Elizabeth
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6 M:   Joseph CAUL
Birth:   1878   Busby, Renfrewshire.


Notes for Michael CAUL
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: Gibb Building.
Census Place: Mearns, RFW.
Michael CAUL, head, marr., 32, cotton spinner mill mechanic, Ireland
Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 25, RFW, Busby.
John C CAUL, son, 8 months, RFW, Busby.
Catherine McClusky McKENNA, mother in law, wid., 70, Ireland.
James MCLUSKIE, lodger, widr., 45, printfield labourer, Ireland.
1871 Cenus recs.
Dwelling: Stare Row
Census Place: Mearns, Renfrewshire
Michael CAUL, head, marr., 41, Mill Tenter, Ireland.
Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 36, RFW, Mearns.
Agnes, daur., 5, Scholar, RFW, Mearns.
Margaret, daur., 3, RFW, Mearns.
Mary, daur., 1 month, RFW, Mearns.
Daniel? WATT, Lodger, unm., 22, Printfield Labourer, Ireland.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: Cottage Row
Census Place: Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
Michael CAUL M 52  M Ireland  Rel: Head  Occ: Calico Printfield Worker
Agnes McKenna CAUL M 46  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife  Occ: C.P.Lab Wife
Agnes CAUL U 15  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Daur Occ: C.L.P.'s Daur
Margret CAUL U 13  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Daur Occ: C.P.L.'s Daur
Michael CAUL   7  M Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Joseph CAUL   3  M Busby, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Kennedy Terrace
Census Place: Barrhead, Renfrewshire.
Michael CAUL, head, marr., 61, Cottopn spinner, Ireland.
Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 56, RFW, Mearns.
Agnes, daur., unm., 25, Weaver, RFW, Mearns.
Margaret, daur., unm., 23, Weaver, RFW, Mearns.
Michael, son, unm., 17, Yarnman, RFW, Mearns.



Notes for Agnes MCKENNA
1841 Census: Cart Terrace, Mearns, RFW, Agnes McKENNA, 9, RFW.
1861 Census: Gibb Building, Mearns, RFW, Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 25, RFW, Busby.
1881 Census: Cottage Row, Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland, Agnes McKenna CAUL M 46  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife  Occ: C.P.Lab Wife.
1891 Census: Kennedy Terrace, Barrhead, Renfrewshire, Agnes McKenna CAUL, wife, marr., 56, RFW, Mearns.
1901 Cenus: 76 Port Dundas Rd., Port Dundas, Glasgow, Lanark, Agnes McKenna CAUL, 66, mother Michael CAUL, wid., RFW, Busby






Notes for John Charles (Child 1)
1861 Census: Gibb Building, Mearns, RFW, John C CAUL, son, 8 months, RFW, Busby.



Notes for Agnes (Child 3)
1881 Census: Cottage Row, Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland, Agnes CAUL U 15  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Daur Occ: C.L.P.'s Daur
1891 Census: Kennedy Terrace, Barrhead, Renfrewshire, Agnes, daur., unm., 25, Weaver, RFW, Mearns.





Notes for Margaret (Child 4)
1881 Census: Cottage Row, Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland, Margret CAUL U 13  F Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Daur Occ: C.P.L.'s Daur
1891 Census: Kennedy Terrace, Barrhead, Renfrewshire, Margaret, daur., unm., 23, Weaver, RFW, Mearns.
1909, Aug 20th, sign. death cert. Agnes McKenna CAUL, mother.



Notes for Michael Patrick (Child 5)
1881 Census: Cottage Row, Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland, Michael CAUL   7  M Busby, Renfrew, Scotland  Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
1891 Census: Kennedy Terrace, Barrhead, Renfrewshire, Michael, son, unm., 17, Yarnman, RFW, Mearns.
1896 sign. death cert. Michael CAUL, father.
1901 Cenus recs.
Dwelling: 76 Port Dundas Rd.
Census Place: Port Dundas, Glasgow, Lanark
Michael CAUL, head, marr., 27, Canvasser to Cartage Contractor, RFW, Busby.
Elizabeth CAUL, wife, 25, Edinburgh, St Giles.
Agnes McKenna CAUL, 66, mother Michael CAUL, wid., RFW, Busby





Notes for Joseph (Child 6)
1881 Census: Cottage Row, Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland, Joseph CAUL   3  M Busby, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son

[trish251]

Hi Dave

Well put together - also well planned that most of the births are on the IGI. Always think it's sad that the LDS are not interested in the death/burial records.

You can probably bring them forward on SP (sadly that costs). It seems that some of the boys may not have survived - unless they had enough money to send them away to school - would this be possible?

I've had no joy in Ireland - but do you have Agnes and family on the early census? or should I be looking for them

I was looking at Renfrewshire because one branch of my family came from there (Paisley). They left Scotland in 1833, however, & called their home in Australia Renfrew Park.

Trish

[wildgoose]

This is my "best fit" for Agnes McKENNA & family:

Name:   Patrick MCKENNA
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Birth:   1791   Ireland.
Spouse:   Catherine McCLUSKY
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Birth:   1795   Ireland.
Death:   31 8 1866   Crofthead, Neilston, Renfrewshire.1

Children:
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1 F:   Margaret MCKENNA
Birth:   1818   Ireland.
Occupation:   Cotton power loom weaver.
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2 M:   John MCKENNA
Birth:   1820   Ireland.
Occupation:   Labourer.
Spouse:   Susan McGRONAN
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3 F:   Bridget MCKENNA
Birth:   1824   Ireland.
Occupation:   Cotton power loom weaver.
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4 M:   Patrick MCKENNA
Birth:   1828   County Tyrone, Ireland
Death:   18 6 1909   The Home, 43 Gilmore Place, Edinburgh2
Occupation:   Labourer
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Spouse:   Susan CARROLL
Marriage:   1850   Linlithgow, West Lothian.3
Spouse:   Mary BRYSON
Marriage:   25 2 1873   Linlithgow, West Lothian.4
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5 F:   Agnes MCKENNA
Birth:   1835   Busby, Renfrewshire.
Death:   20 8 1909   Main St., Barrhead, Renfrewshire.5
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Spouse:   Michael CAUL
Marriage:   21 10 1859   St John's Chapel, Portugal St., Hutchesontown, Glasgow.6
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6 M:   Michael MCKENNA
Occupation:   Labourer.
Spouse:   Rosa McKENNA

[trish251]

1841
Parish 571 ED1 Mearns Renfrewshire
Address Cart Tarren?
Patrick McKenna 50 Ag Lab Ireland
Catherine McKenna 45 Ireland
Margaret McKenna 23 ireland
John McKenna 21 Cotton Spinner Ireland
Patrick Mckenna 19 Cotton Spinner Ireland
Bridget McKenna 17 Cotton P L W Ireland
Agnes McKenna 9 Renfrewshire
Janet Scott 23 Cotton PLW Scotland
William McConnall 20 Cotton Piecer Scotland

Didn't see young Michael - otherwise seems to fit (age of agnes?)

Trish

[trish251]

Do you have Michael in 1851 - while looking for Agnes - I found Michael 
1851 Parish 571 ED 2 Page 18 Town: Busby Civil Parish: Mearns Renfrewshire
Address Store Row
Michael Caul 72 Ag Lab Ireland
Catherine Caul 56 Ireland
Ellen Caul 30 House servant Ireland
Fanny Caul 26 Throstle Spinner Cotton Ireland
Cicilia Caul 24  do     do      do     do
Michael Caul 22 Labourer in Cotton Mill Ireland
Mary Caul 20  Throstle Spinner Cotton Ireland

Trish

[wildgoose]

Many thanks for the information.  My main interesting is in Patrick McKENNA - my wife's gg grandfather.  Up until a few months ago I had little information about his parents or family.  I'm still not 100% sure about when and where he died.  I noticed that on his marriage certificate was recorded a Felix McKENNA  so I tried to track him down.  Then I was sent the 1841 Census which seem to open up other possibilities.  It could well be, however, that all this information about Agnes etc could completely unconnected with my Patrick but at the moment that's all I've got. 

[wildgoose]

Name:   Patrick MCKENNA
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Birth:   1828   County Tyrone, Ireland
Death:   18 6 1909   The Home, 43 Gilmore Place, Edinburgh1 Age: 81
Occupation:   Labourer
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Father:   Patrick MCKENNA (1791-)
Mother:   Catherine McCLUSKY (1795-1866)

Spouses:
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1:   Susan CARROLL
Birth:   1833   County Cavan, Ireland.
Death:   14 11 1870   Almond, Muiravonshire, Stirling.2 Age: 37
Father:   Michael CARROLL (1796-)
Mother:   Mary MULLINS
Marriage:   1850   Linlithgow, West Lothian.3
Children:   James (1851-1920)
   Patrick (1854-1910)
   John (1856-1898)
   Mary Ann (1859-1861)
   Michael (1861-1914)
   Peter (1863-1884)
   Bernard (1866-1866)
   Bernard (1867-)

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2:   Mary BRYSON
Birth:   1833   Edinburgh
Death:   15 7 1885   82 Binnend, Burntisland, FIF.4 Age: 52
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Occupation:   Hawker
Father:   Andrew BRYSON (1800-1868)
Mother:   Catherine BRYSON (1800-1873)
Marriage:   25 2 1873   Linlithgow, West Lothian.5


Notes for Patrick MCKENNA
1841 Census: Cart Terrace, Mearns, RFW, Patrick McKENNA, 19, cotton spinner, Ireland.
1851 Census recs.
Dwelling: 84 High St.
Census Place: Linlithgow, WLN.
Patrick McKENNIE, head, marr., 23, railway labourer, Ireland.
Susan Carroll McKENNIE, wife, 18, Ireland.
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: Edinburgh to Glasgow Rd.
Census Place: Linlithgowbridge, Linlithgow, WLN
Patrick McCANNIE, head, marr., 36, labourer at iron workers, Ireland.
Susan Carroll McCANNIE, wife, marr., 30, Ireland.
James McCANNIE, son, 10, scholar, WLN, Linlithgow.
Patrick McCANNIE, son, 7, scholar, WLN, Linlithgow.
John McCANNIE, son, 5, WLN, Linlithgow.
Mary Ann McCANNIE, daur., 2, WLN, Linlithgow.
1871 Census recs.
Census Place: Almond, Muiravonside, STI.
Patrick McKENNA, head, widr., 45, furnace filler, TYR, Ireland.
James, son, unm., 20, railway labourer, Linlithgow, WLN.
Patrick, son, unm., 17, apprentice moulder, Linlithgow, WLN.
John, son, 15, labourer, Lilithgow, WLN.
Michael, son, 10, scholar, Linlithgow, WLN.
Peter, son, 7, scholar, Linlithgow, WLN.
Bernard, son, 4, Linlithgow, WLN.
Mary DUNCAN, lodger, wid., hawker, Glasgow.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 161 East Benhar
Census Place: Whitburn, Linlithgow, Scotland
Patrick MC KENNA M 55  M Ireland   Rel: Head   Occ: Labourer
Mary MC KENNA M 48  F Edinburgh, Scotland   Rel: Wife   Occ: Labourers Wife
Peter MC KENNA U 18  M Linlithgow, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Son  Occ: Labourer
Bernard MC KENNA U 14  M Linlithgow, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Son  Occ: Labourer
James COYLE U 27  M Ireland   Rel: Boarder   Occ: Labourer
William MULLEN U 28  M Ireland   Rel: Boarder  Occ: Labourer
Margaret GRAHAME U 35  F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland   Rel: Visitor
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling:  32 Castle Row.
Census Place: Whitburn, WLN.
Patrick McKENNA, head, widr., 66, general labourer, Ireland.
John McKENNA, son, unm., 34, general labourer, WLN.   
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: House for the Aged & Infirmed, Gilmore Place.
Census Place: Newington, Edinburgh, MLN.
Patrick McKENNA, inmate, widr., 78, retired wireworker, TYR, Ireland. 
This institution was run by the Little Sisters of the Poor. and was later renamed St. Joseph's Home for the Elderly.



Notes for Susan (Spouse 1)
1841 Census: James Place, South Leith, MLN, (Susan) Ann CARROLL, 9, Ireland
1851 Census: 84 High St., Linlithgow, WLN, Susan Carroll McKENNIE, wife, 18, Ireland.
1856/67 on children's birth certificates Susan's maiden name is also recd. CARLE, CARL, CAROL & McCARROLL.
1861 Census: Edinburgh to Glasgow Rd., Linlithgowbridge, Linlithgow, WLN, Susan Carroll McCANNIE, wife, marr., 30, Ireland.




Notes for Patrick & Susan (Family)
1861 birth cert. Michael McKENNA recs. date of parents marr. as 1850 July 21st Falkirk (no evidence).
1863 birth cert. Peter McKENNA recs. date of parent's marr. as 1849 July 21st, Falkirk.


Notes for Mary (Spouse 2)
1841 Census: Glenyards, Falkirk, Muiravonside, STI, Mary BRYSON, 8, Ireland.
1851 Census: 131 Grassmarket, New Greyfriars, Edinburgh, MLN, Mary BRYSON, daur., 17, costermonger, MLN, Edinburgh.
1861 Census: Crownerland, Muiravonside, Mary BRYSON (SWEENEY), daur., wid., 25, hawker, Edinburgh.
1868 sign. death cert. Andrew BRYSON, father, Mary SWEENEY, her X mark.
1871 Census: Compston, Muiravonside, Stirlingshire, Mary BRYSON (SWEENEY), daur., wid., 36, Washerwoman, Edinburgh
1881 Census: 161 East Benhar, Whitburn, Linlithgow, WLN, Mary Sweeney MC KENNA M 48  F Edinburgh, Scotland   Rel: Wife   Occ: Labourers Wife