Emma Esther Masters b1821 Guernsey

[pavane]

Hi,
Can anyone help me with information on Emma Esther Masters please?
We would like to find her birth around 1821, and her marriage to Robert Smith (of Somerset, England) sometime between 1841 and 1850.

She is visible in later census years as Emma Smith

Also her parents. They MAY have been WILLIAM MASTERS, son of James
Marriage: 26 AUG 1804 Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Wife MARY LANGLOIS

But this is only guesswork - we have no firm evidence.
Thanks

[pavane]

Should have said living St Peter Port as well.

[down-under]

1841 H0107/1460/11  folio 6 page 7 St Peter Port Guernsey

Market Square
No 15

Rachel Maley age 43   Shop  Guernsey
Mary Maley age 45  Guernsey
/
Elizabeth Lecooy age 27 Alderney
/
Julia Mursgran? age 10 Guernsey
/
Harry Kinnard age 72 Guernsey
/
Mary Hardy age 40 Jersey
Mary Hardy age 12 Guernsey
Louisa Hardy  age 9 Guernsey
/
Anna Masters age 65 England
Emma Master age 20 dress maker Guernsey
/
Ann Digman age 30 Guernsey


PAM

[pavane]

Thanks, that is a good start. I knew she was there in 1841, but had not seen the census details.

[TheWhuttle]

Hi Pavane,

How's this research vein flowing for you?
Think I can help.

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Emma's marriage is post-1837.
Its details will be recorded in the Civil Registration lists for England.

I had a quick look for it via www.freebmd.org .
[N.B. Its database is not complete yet.]

Searching from Q/E Mar-1841 to Q/E Dec-1851 threw up only one possible match with a SMITH:

    Marriages Q/E Jun 1845
    SMITH, William       Shepton Mallett    10 751
    MASTERS, Emma    Shepton Mallett    10 751

[However, it is not certain that these two married.
 Other male candidates on that page are CUZNER, HISCOX & WHITE.  To me, the lady's name looks more like "Ann" in the scanned image of the index register's page.]

Shepton Mallett is near Wells in Somerset.

Perhaps your "Robert SMITH" was a "William Robert SMITH" ...

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I'd be interested in hearing more about Robert SMITH.
What did he do?
Why did Emma marry him, moving away from Guernsey.

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In return I can open the door on the Guernsey scenario for you.
[ ... and elsewhere, earlier ...]

Firstly (VIP): Do you know anything about BERRYMANs or WILLIAMSONs?!

Capt. Jock

[pavane]

Thanks for your suggestions. This is not going well at the moment, I have heard nothing new since my post.

Whether or not they married in England, the couple certainly moved back to Guernsey before the 1851 census, and their daughter Emma L (aka Louisa?) was born there in 1848, according to the census (Not always accurate!).

I am not sure that I could reconcile William Smith in Shepton Mallet with Robert Smith, and they didn't name any children William, as might be expected. The one slight possibility we have for Robert is son of Charles and Maria Smith in Kilmington, and their second son was named Charles.

Is this a pattern?
First daughter named after mother (Emma Louisa)
First son named after father (Robert)
Second son after grandfather? (Charles)
Second daughter Allice Eliza - Maybe after her maternal grandmother?

Third son - Percy - maybe after maternal grandfather?

So are we looking for Percy and Alice Masters?

There were also Isabella, Lilian and Bertha, but no more boys.

I would love to hear more about Robert myself, all we have is a name and occupation (Draper).
We have only a little more about his son Robert George, including photos. He does seem to have invented a background for himself which became a family legend, but has no basis in reality! Tales of being descended from a SIR Robert Smith, distinguished military man and linguist, speaking 19 languages, of whom we find no trace. Supposedly with a street named after him in Guernsey (But even if there is a Smith street, I'm sure it wasn't him!)

Percy also moved to London, and was living in Maylebone in 1901, which is the last news we have of him.

[pavane]

Thanks for your suggestions. This is not going well at the moment, I have heard nothing new since my post.

Whether or not they married in England, the couple certainly moved back to Guernsey before the 1851 census, and their daughter Emma L (aka Louisa?) was born there in 1848, according to the census (Not always accurate!).

I am not sure that I could reconcile William Smith in Shepton Mallet with Robert Smith, and they didn't name any children William, as might be expected. The one slight possibility we have for Robert is son of Charles and Maria Smith in Kilmington, especially as Robert's second son was named Charles. 
Is this a pattern?
First daughter named after mother (Emma Louisa)
First son named after father (Robert)
Second son after grandfather? (Charles)
Second daughter Allice Eliza - Maybe after her maternal grandmother?
Third son - Percy - maybe after maternal grandfather?

So are we looking for Percy and Alice Masters? There were also Isabella, Lilian and Bertha, but no more boys.

I would love to hear more about Robert myself, all we have is a nameand occupation (Draper).
We have only a little more about his son Robert George, including photos. He does seem to have invented a background for himself which became a family legend, but has no basis in reality! Tales of being descended from a SIR Robert Smith, distinguished military man and linguist, speaking 19 languages, of whom we find no trace. Supposedly he had a street named after him in Guernsey (But even if there is a Smith street, I'm sure it wasn't him!)

I would be interested to hear anything more you have, but as you see, I can't offer much in return. By the way, Robert George Smith was my great-grandfather.


(Percy also moved to London, and was living in Maylebone in 1901, which is the last news we have of him.)

[TheWhuttle]

Hi again Pavanne,

Sorry for the delay.

I've been beavering away on "our" behalf.
[Worked out that you are a cousin of my cousin.
 Thanks for the inspiration!
 So, Rootschat really works ...]

Details below.  Further explanation on sourcs, etc. will follow once I have recharged my batteries.

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Emma Esther MASTERS
   born. 11-JUL-1819, StPP
   bapt. 20-AUG-1819, Parish Church, StPP
   died. 15-DEC-1899, Grande Rue, StPP
   [Aged: 80; Cause: Heart Failure.
    Dress Maker.
    Daughter of Thomas MASTERS & Ann GROVES.]
 
 
  =  (1st marriage, 24-AUG-1846)
   |
   |   Ebenzer Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, StPP
   |   [WifeAged: 27; HusbandAged: ~25]
   |
   |
   |    Robert SMITH
   |       b. <tbd, ~1821, ?Bath, Somerset>
   |       died. 20-AUG-1889, Grand Rue, StPP
   |       [Aged: 68; Cause: Inflamation of the lungs.
   |        Tailor & Draper, Draper's Foreman.
   |        Son of George    SMITH, a tailor,
   |             & Elizabeth LOCK.]
   |
   |
   |- Emma Louisa SMITH
   |     born. 06-FEB-1848, L'Hyvruese, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 28]
   |
   |- Robert George SMITH
   |     born. 14-OCT-1849, L'Hyvruese, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 30]
   |
   |- Charles Alexander SMITH
   |     born. 25-JAN-1851, Les Croutes, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 32]
   |
   |- Alice Eliza SMITH
   |     born. 17-AUG-1852, Victoria Road, StPP
   |     MotherAged: 33]
   |
   |- Isabella SMITH
   |     born. 17-MAR-1854, Victoria Road, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 34]
   |
   |- Percy Arthur SMITH
   |     born. 01-JUN-1857, Victoria Road, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 37]
   |
   |- Bertha SMITH
   |     born. 23-APR-1859, Victoria Road, StPP
   |     [MotherAged: 39]
   |
   |
   |       [7 year gap.]
   |
   |
   |- Lilian Rose    SMITH
         born. 18-SEP-1866, Grand Rue, StPP
         [MotherAged: 47]
 

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Ann GROVES
    b. ~1771
    Buried: 10-NOV-1845, <?Brothers Cemetery, StPP>
    [Aged: 74.
     Daughter of William GROVES,
        of Camwell Parish, Surrey.]
 
= (2ndM, 17-APR-1813, Parish Church, StPP)
|
|     Thomas MASTERS
|      b. ~1776
|      Died: 30-JUL-1848, StPP
|      Buried: 04-AUG-1848, Candie Cemetery, StPP
|      [Aged: 72.
|       A native of Scotland;
|       Son of Thomas MASTERS.]
|
|
|- Elizabeth Maria MASTERS
|      Born: 25-JUN-1815, StPP
|      Bapt: 02-JUL-1815, Parish Church, StPP
|         Godparents: Thomas MACHON jun.
|                              Elizabeth WAKEFORD
|                              Julie MACHON
|
|         
|- Emma Esther MASTERS
       Born: 11-JUL-1819, StPP
       Bapt: 20-AUG-1819, Parish Church, StPP
          Godparents: John DUGDALE
                               Sarah DUGDALE
                               Emma DUGDALE

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Ann GROVES

= (1st marriage, ~1798?) |
|
|    Morris DIGMAN ( - 1811 StPP)
|
|
|- Morris Hender DIGMAN
|      (1799 - before 1832?) [Age:32]
|
|
|- William Berryman DIGMAN
|      (1801 - 1832 St. PP) [Age:30]
|
|  = (~1829?)
|  |
|  |      Margaret WILLIAMSON
|  |          (~1805 - 1882 Belfast)
|  |
|  |- William  DIGMAN  (1831 - 1832 StPP) [Age:16M]
|  |
|  |- Margaret DIGMAN (1832 - 1832 StPP) [Age:3M]
|
|
|
|- John DIGMAN (1803 - after 1846)
|
|  = (1829 StPP)
|  |
|  |     Elizabeth LePAGE (1808 - 1832 StPP)
|  |
|  |- Elizabeth DIGMAN (1829 - 1861 StPP) [Age:31]
| 
|     = (1854, Eldad Chapel, StPP)
|     |
|     |      William WHITTLE(Y) (1829 - )
|     |               [Cousin from Ireland.
|     |                Son of Mary Ann WILLIAMSON.
|     |                Last heard of mining in Idaho, USA]
|     |
|     |- William Digman WHITTLEY (1855 - )
|     |    (Last heard of mining in Idaho, USA)
|     |
|     |- Henry WHITTLEY (1856 -  Philadelphia)
|     |    ("Zulu Wars" Soldier & Preacher in Virginia)
|     |    (Descendants in America)
|     |
|     |- Morris John WHITTLEY (1858 - 1887) [Age:29]
|     |    (Entire family perished aboard the Kapunda.)
|     |    (Whilst emigrating from Belfast to Australia.)
|     |
|     |- Elizabeth Mary WHITTLEY (1860-1860 StPP) [Age:3M]
|
|
|- George William DIGMAN (1805 - 1825 StPP) [Age:20]
|
|
|- Ann Pearce DIGMAN (1807 - 1844 StPP) [Age:36]



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Pip pip!

Capt. Jock

[pavane]

Above and beyond the call of duty, I call that.
Really excellent, and much appreciated, cousin.
I will see if my other contacts and cousins can add anything now.