1861 census look up pls Cambs

[caron]

could anyone help me with a look up please.

I am looking for

 Arthur  Washtell born about 1851 cambs.

 Arthur Washtell married Emma Ellen Simpson in 1874 in Islington and his census returns say he was born in Cambs.  The only IGI record I can find for his birth is christening 1 August 1852 St Paul Cambridge . Father William Washtell Mother Keziah.  I have found a marriage between William Washtell and Kezia Farrington on 11 July 1843. All Saints Cambridge.

Arthur moved to Islington London in the early 1870s, so I am trying to find him in earlier censuses.  I am not 100 percent sure that the above are his parents, but if I could find him in the 1861 census it may give me a better idea of his family.

I found an entry for 1851 census on the Cambridge FHS for William and Kezia Washtell At Cambridge St Pauls HO107/1760/63A.  Here would be a good place to look I imagine to see if they are still there in 1861.

Thank you for your help.

[bedfordshire boy]

In 1871 they were still in Cambridge

RG10/1587/116A
3 St Anthony St, St Andrew the Less, Cambridge (ecclesiastical district of St Pauls)
William Washtell head widower 51 baker b Cambridge
Elizabeth Washtell dau unm 25 housekeeper b Cambridge
Henry Washtell son unm 23 carpenter b Cambridge
Arthur Washtell son unm 19 painter b Cambridge
Stuart Farrington son in law unm 35 painter b Cambridge

The 1861 is not indexed and St Andrew the Less is an enormous parish running to over 500 census sheets.

Regards

David

[caron]

thank you for replying David.  What a shame the 1861 census is not indexed. The entry I found for the 1851 census on the Cambridge FHS did not give an address just  a film reference.

I am trying to find out Arthurs parents. I might have to buy the wedding certificate to get a definite name for his father. 

Regarding the 1871 entry, can you have an umarried son in law? I am confused about that.

Thanks for your help David
Caron

[Frances]

Hi Caron,

This is the entry for 1851 using your reference numbers. All born Cambridge. Regards, Frances

CAMBRIDGE ST PAULS

GWYDIER PLACE

WILLIAM WASHTELL  31  BAKER

KEZIA                        38

ELIZABETH     D            5

HENERY          S            4

ELIZA              D            1

SARAH  FARRINGTON   DIL   15

EMMA FARRINGTON     DIL    14

STUART  FARRINGTON  SIL  13

WILLIAM FARRINGTON   SIL   12

JOHN     FARRINGTON  SIL  12

[bedfordshire boy]

In reverse order:

 son in law in the 19th century could also mean stepson, so Stuart was probably the son of his wife Kezia (see below)

I think that to link the Islington Arthur with the Arthur son of William and Kezia it is imperative that you obtain the marriage cert, particularly as there seems to be a discrepancy in the age as he is shown as being age 25 in 1881

the full entry for 1851 is

Gwydia Place Cambridge St Pauls

William Washtell h m 31 baker b Cambridge
Kezia Washtell wife m b Cambridge
Elizabeth Washtell dau 5 b Cambridge
Henery Washtell son 4 b Cambridge
Eliza Washtell dau 1
Sarah Farrington dau in law 15 b Cambridge
Emma  Farrington dau in law 14 b Cambridge
Stuart  Farrington son in law 13 b Cambridge
William Farrington son in law 12 b Cambridge
John Farrington son in law 9 b Cambridge

I have changed my earlier message as I have now worked out the address as being St Anthony St

Very few censuses on CDRom are indexed so unless it's a village or you are extremely lucky to be able to purchase a name index it's a hard slog for anyone to do a look up in a large town.

Regards

David

[caron]

thank you frances and David for your kind replies.

Is it now feasible as we have an address from the 1851 census to see what we can find for William and Kezia Washtell at Gwydia Place Cambs in 1861.

In 1871 you say they are at 3 St anthony St. If it is not too long a process can these addresses be looked up in 1861? 

Dont worry if it is too lenghty.  As you say it would be best to order a wedding certificate for Athur Washtell to get a definite on his parents.  Is it best to order from the GRO.  A few times I have ordered from a local area office and I have received a type written entry rather than seeing the original entry.
I understand it is taking about two weeks to get a certificate by post now.!

Thanks for your continued advice.

Now I have found Roots Chat I am trying to piece together all the family tree entries I had got stuck on, and I am making great progress now!

What wonderful help and advice I  am receiving from its members!
Caron

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Caron
There is no index of any description, name or street, for Cambridge in 1861 so it's still a case of trawling through hundreds of pages. And if you find the streets there's no guarantee the family will still be there, in which case it's back to the beginning and start again!

Once my 5 year old, who is very labour intensive, goes back to school next year and I get a morning to spare, free from distractions, I'll see what I can do.

Remind me if you've not heard by the end of Jan.

I've only ever ordered certs from the GRo, which can now be done online, so I really don't know the relative costs/ speed of delivery/ quality etc.

Have a great Christmas

All the best

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Caron

Finally found them, but it doesn't really add much to what you already know:

1861 GG9/1024/126A
9 St Anthony St, St Andrew the Less, Cambridge

Kezia Washtell wife wife 50 mangling b Caldecot Cambs
Sarah Washtell dau unm 25 mangler b Cambridge
Stuart Washtell son unm 23 painter b Cambridge
Elizabeth Washtell dau 16 b Cambridge
Henry Washtell son 13 b Cambridge
Eliza Washtell dau 11 scholar  b Cambridge
Arthur Washtell son 9 scholar  b Cambridge
Harriet Washtell dau 5  b Cambridge

the entry for Kezia had "head" deleted and "wife" overwritten. No sign of the husband. Interesting that the Farringtons were enumerated as Washtell.  I love the occupation "mangler"! Professional female mud wrestlers???

Best wishes for Christmas

David

[caron]

thanks david.  What classy ancestors I have. I now have manglers!  I assume a mangle is a washing mangle, so I have two people in the family now who must have had very rough hands! 


It does give the place of birth for Kezia so that is very useful.

I will digest the information today and see if I can get any further thanks very much for looking for me David

Caron