Lookup request 1871 Census Edward LEWIS

[exonian]

I am trying to discover more details of Edward LEWIS and family, Labourer, Montgomery.

I do not know where he was born/baptisted in Montgomeryshire, but it seems to have been circa 1810 +/- 10 years. From the ages of his known children, it seems he was married prior to 1844.

Only other details available:

Daughter - Elizabeth born circa 1845/6 married George Enoch HUGHES on 25 Mar 1884 in Llandrinio

Son - John born 1847/8 married Mary Ann GRIFFITHS on 11 Jun 1874 in Llandrinio

Daughter - Emma

Any help appreciated.

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat 

I've been having a hunt for your family and found one that has certain similarities. I spotted an Elizabeth Hughes, husband George, but born 1855 in the 1901 census so hope this family fits. Not many Emma Lewises around and this is the only one I could see with father Edward

1861 Criggion, Montgomeryshire RG9/1865 folio 44 pg 2
Edward Lewis head mar 44 ag lab
Ellen wife 41
Emma dau 8
Elizabeth dau 6
Thomas son 4
William son 10 months
all b. Alberbury (less than 2 miles from Criggion)

possible marriage Edward Lewis dec qtr 1848 Atcham vol 18 pg 1 with Ellen Edwards on the same page

RG9/1865 folio 47 pg 8
John Lewis 13 plough boy b. Criggion
in the household of William Davies

1871 Criggion, Shropshire RG10/2765 folio 20 pg 7
Ellen Lewis head widow 53 no occupation
William son 11
both born Criggion

Llandrinio RG10/5629 folio 89 pg 20
Emma Lewis 18 servant b. Criggion
in the household of John Pritchard

Arddleen, Llandrinio RG10/5630 folio 9 pg 16
John Lewis 23 farm servant b. Criggion
in the household of George P Savage

1881 Old Malthouse, Llandrinio RG11/5497 folio 76 pg 4
Ellen Lewis head widow 64
Elizabeth dau 28 general servant
Ellen grand-dau 4
Mary Emma grand-dau 9 months
all born Criggion

The Rhos, Llandrinio RG11/5497 folio 75 pg 1
William Lewis 20 waggoner b. Criggion
in the household of Thomas Davies

hope this helps!

[exonian]

By heck! I think you've cracked it!

Elizabeth LEWIS was married in 1884 in Llandrinio. In the 1891 Census, she was living in Shropshire and her place of birth was  recorded as Llandrinio. However, she was illiterate and this could account for any inaccuracy?

These two items of information combined with the fact that her brother John was also married in Llandrinio in 1877 led me to believe that Elizabeth was born in Wales and her father before her. Consequently, I've been checking the Montgomeryshire Census. However, I see that Criggion is split between RG9/1865 (which I presume is in the Shropshire Census) and RG9/4257 (which is in the Montgomeryshire Census).

Thanks for your welcome to Rootschat, and what a warm, helpful one it has proved to be!!

Once again, thank you so much.

[osprey]

Does this entry tie in with your 1891?

1901 Bauseley, Montgomeryshire RG13/2534 folio 10 pg 54
George Hughes head mar general farm lab b. Salop, Wollaston
Elizabeth wife 46 b. Criggion
Thomas son 13 b. Coedway
Ethel R dau 10 b. Coedway
William son 7 b. Coedway
John W son b. Coedway

I can't spot them in 1891, so I hope it's the right family. Looks like it might be one of those tricky areas straddling the border just to add to the general fun. I've got a similar thing with a village that is sometimes in Pembrokeshire and sometimes in Cardiganshire, but at least it stays in the same country.
Criggion seems to be about a mile and a half from Llandrinio so it's not great distances involved. Could be Elizabeth just gave the name of the slightly bigger place, that wasn't unusual.
Criggion was in Montgomeryshire in 1861 but Shropshire in 1871.
 

[winston]

HI


Did you manage to find Edward and said wife in the 1851 census?


Only asking as I found this one in Criggion, Montgomeryshire

Elizabeth Evans 74
Edward Lewis 39?  son in law bn Bausley Occ Ag Lab
Elizabeth Lewis 33 Daughter bn Criggion
John Lewis 1 bn Criggion

Andin 1841 Edward was working as a Male Servant in Albebury and is single


Can't find this couple on the 1861 so I would suggest that Ellen is the second wife or ellen and elizabeth are one of the same?




But again these are only my findings


Wendy

[exonian]

Does this entry tie in with your 1891?

1901 Bauseley, Montgomeryshire RG13/2534 folio 10 pg 54
George Hughes head mar general farm lab b. Salop, Wollaston
Elizabeth wife 46 b. Criggion
Thomas son 13 b. Coedway
Ethel R dau 10 b. Coedway
William son 7 b. Coedway
John W son b. Coedway

I can't spot them in 1891, so I hope it's the right family. Looks like it might be one of those tricky areas straddling the border just to add to the general fun. I've got a similar thing with a village that is sometimes in Pembrokeshire and sometimes in Cardiganshire, but at least it stays in the same country.
Criggion seems to be about a mile and a half from Llandrinio so it's not great distances involved. Could be Elizabeth just gave the name of the slightly bigger place, that wasn't unusual.
Criggion was in Montgomeryshire in 1861 but Shropshire in 1871.
 

Yes, this is the family in 1901. However, you have drawn my attention to an apparent anomaly in 1891!

Elizabeth LEWIS married George Enoch HUGHES on 25 Sep 1884 in Llandrinio. So, where were they in 1891?
1891 Drayton (Market Drayton) Salop RG12/2128 pg 8 records:

Enoch HUGHES Head Widower 78 Retired Blacksmith  Salop, Hinstock
George son S 29 Plumber Salop, West Drayton
Henrietta JONES Niece S 28 Housekeeper Dom Serv Staffs, Casley.

For George and his father Enoch, this is entirely consistent with the 1881 Census which on RG11/2674 pg2 records:
 
Enock HUGHES Head Married 69 Retired Blacksmith Salop, Hinstock
Mary Ann Wife Married 64 - Staffs, Alsington?
George Son Unmarried 19 Plumber Salop, Drayton in Hales

Mary Ann died in the 1st Qtr of 1887.

Now, where was Elizabeth HUGHES nee LEWIS in 1891?  The obvious places are Llandrinio and elsewhere in Salop. One could read too much into the presence of cousin Henrietta, who was of a similar age to George.

However, by April 1891, George & Elizabeth's family would have included:
George Enoch ('Dodi') born 3rd Qtr 1885 in Atcham, Salop [For no apparent reason, Dodi is not recorded with them 1901?]
Thomas born 1887/8 Coedway, Salop
Ethel Rose born 05 Jul 1890 Coedway, Salop.

Family History research can be a real puzzler. Thanks for the tip about the re-allocation of Criggion!!!

[exonian]

HI

Did you manage to find Edward and said wife in the 1851 census?

Only asking as I found this one in Criggion, Montgomeryshire

Elizabeth Evans 74
Edward Lewis 39?  son in law bn Bausley Occ Ag Lab
Elizabeth Lewis 33 Daughter bn Criggion
John Lewis 1 bn Criggion

And in 1841 Edward was working as a Male Servant in Alberbury and is single

Can't find this couple on the 1861 so I would suggest that Ellen is the second wife or ellen and elizabeth are one of the same?

But again these are only my findings

Wendy

Thanks for looking Wendy, but Osprey has found the LEWISes in 1861. Unfortunately, the details do not seem entirely consistent with the family you've located in 1851. I will need to do further research before I can say whether they are linked ie marriages and deaths prior to April 1851 in conjunction with the 1841 Census.

I am very appreciative of your efforts. I wonder whether you have the relevant 1851 Census reference to hand?

Thanks. 

[winston]

Heres the REF then for the 1851 that I found


HO107; Piece: 1991; Folio: 174; Page: 5


Wendy