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Can you read this ?
« on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:31 BST (UK) »
I have this 1858 marriage certificate and I can't make out what is written before the 1st witness's name (Thomas Wilson).

It looks like 3 letters, then "+" & "-".

My first thought was an army rank (Srj ?) but not certain.

Any thoughts on this ?

Many thanks ...... Malcolm
Wood(s) – Lancashire/Clayton-le-Moors & Sawley (orig. W.Yorkshire 1841)
Thornley, Heyes – Lancashire/Clayton-le-Moors
Emmett – Lancashire/Chorley, Blackburn
Nightingale, Livesey, Warburton, Gorton – Lancashire/Blackburn, Darwen
Kilshaw - Lancaster
Mahoney – Oswaldtwistle, Ireland
Brennan – E.Lancs., Tipperary

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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:34 BST (UK) »
Hi

Could it be Sgt?? 

Jane :)
LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE,
LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT
MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE
LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY
BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD
DANBY & WHITBY  - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON
BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON
BROUGHTON - HARRISON
MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER
PINCHINTHORPE -  POSTGATE
BILSDALE- BOYES


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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jane.

It's possible but it doesn't look anything like the "t" in Elizabeth.

My thinking was Srj or Srg  - for Sergant.

It's the + & - that baffles me.

...Malcolm
Wood(s) – Lancashire/Clayton-le-Moors & Sawley (orig. W.Yorkshire 1841)
Thornley, Heyes – Lancashire/Clayton-le-Moors
Emmett – Lancashire/Chorley, Blackburn
Nightingale, Livesey, Warburton, Gorton – Lancashire/Blackburn, Darwen
Kilshaw - Lancaster
Mahoney – Oswaldtwistle, Ireland
Brennan – E.Lancs., Tipperary

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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jane.
It's the + & - that baffles me.

I'm with Jane - quite sure it's a t  :)
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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:12 BST (UK) »
Me again  ;D  do you think maybe it is not a + and a full T (t) and the ink pen maybe did'nt work as it should have 

I should be working  :)


Jane
LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE,
LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT
MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE
LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY
BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD
DANBY & WHITBY  - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON
BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON
BROUGHTON - HARRISON
MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER
PINCHINTHORPE -  POSTGATE
BILSDALE- BOYES


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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:13 BST (UK) »
What you are looking at is an abbreviation of Sergeant written as Sergt. Very normal and at that time a universal indication of abbreviation.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:16 BST (UK) »
Agreed, the use of J or G in SerJ/Geant  was common - and as Hack says, the abbreviation is underlined ....
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Re: Can you read this ?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:46 BST (UK) »
yep, definately Sergeant , in my 'umble opinion.


I should be working too...... this is more fun tho  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 13:26 BST (UK) »
Yes, the last letter is underlined as an abbreviation eg; Jas (James), Wm (William) Rt (Robert) etc.......

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