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Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« on: Monday 10 September 07 22:29 BST (UK) »
I have just received these fantastic pictures of my 10 x great grandfather's grave site and memorial. They are inside a church so have been well preserved.

Unfortunately they are in Latin. I can undertstad bits and pieces but a complete transcript would be great if someone can read Latin please.

I have the following:

In memory of George Pike.....
assume wife is Margareta, daughter of Edward Woodcott of Ipswich

daughter Annan (Ann?) married William? Violet of Norfolk
daughter Cicely married Tho James of Hertford
daughter Mariam married Tho. Pritchard

something about Jacob Whitlocke (I know his dau Mercy/Mary married Sir James Whitlocke so maybe that's what it says??)

Dau Margareta married John Gore of London

....George ..... -????  (there was a son called George)

Elizabeth married Gregory Baker, then married John Crowch of Hertford.

George Pike died September 1658.

Anything that anyone can add, or correct my theory, would be appreciated

Thanks
Di

Oops - sorry they're so big
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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 06:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Lady Di

My husband has had a bit of a try to translate this for you, has got as far as

"In memory of George Pike born not far from here lies dead but will be restored to life unburdened asleep with...... Margareta daughter of Edward Woodcott of Ipswich from where three joyous daughters Annam .... Violet of Norfok (highborn wife) Ciceliam (Thomas James de Hartford) highborn wife and Mariam first wife of Thomas Pritchard"

As some of the words are hard to read he is struggling with the old script, however I have a friend who teaches Latin and I will phone her tonight and see if she can help.

Not sure if she is a Rootschatter, but I will get back to you about it anyway.

Bye from freezing Oz

Noells

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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 07:50 BST (UK) »
Blimey Di, think you had better start doing some serious saving for that trip back to England cos I think you will need to be here if you are actually going to claim the throne!! ;) ;D

Seriously though, beautiful monument and all fascinating stuff.

Linda.
Reynolds, Woodham, Payne, Wilmott, Hart, Richardson, Packwood, Tandy, Dexter - Bedfordshire.
Chamberlain and Wagstaff- Hunts.
Freeman, Cheney, Cox- Northants.
Burns, Muter, Cobban, Hossack, Strachan, Moonlight.
Lanarkshire, Ross and Cromarty and Kincardineshire.
Garvey- Ireland.

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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 10:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you Noells, that's fantastic.

I didn't know anything about the "highborn wife" though. Do you or anyone know what that means exactly?  ???

I have just heard (rumour at this stage) that George Pike was "Horse Master" for King George 1. That's probably one of those things that one can't even check so it will probably stay as a rumour for now.  ::)

Anything additional that you can add Noells will be great and very much appreciated.

Linda I'm waiting for the Crown to offer to pay my way back to the homeland - unfortunately it could be a very long wait  ;D

BTW - George Pike owned Sheene Manor in Meldreth/Melbourn just outside Royston - I just can't get away from Herts no matter which branch I research!!   ::)

Thanks

Di




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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 10:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Di

I thought you were in England, but now see you are in NSW.

I phoned my friend tonight and she is willing to see what she can do to decipher and translate the tombstone.

I will email the link to her now and we will keep our fingers crossed.

Noells
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 10:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Noells,

Thanks for contacting your friend. I do hope that she can help - my fingers are crossed also.

Sorry to hear that you have horrid weather "down south" - we've had 24deg and sunshine - bit of a trial but I'll try and put up with it  ;D

Thanks

Di
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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 12:02 BST (UK) »
My Latin's pretty rusty now but this is what I make of it.

In memory of George Pike, Squire whose remains lie buried not far from here, whose wife was Margaret, dau. of Edward Woodcott of Ipswich, by whom he had three daughters, Anna (wife of  William Violet of Norfolk; Cicelia (wife of Thomas James of Hartford); and Mary (wife firstly of Thos. Pitchard Squire of Cambridge, then of Jacob Whitlocke, Squire, of Buckinghamshire).
After Margaret died [George] married Elizabeth Johan Gore, London, dau. of a soldier of little means [??]
The next bit I am not sure about...I think that George and Elizabeth had a son George Baker Starford who married Johan Crowch of Hertford

[George]Died in his sixty-seventh year

The other slab says the remains of George Pike were laid here 25 September 1658
Soon to be resurrected.

Isabel
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 12:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you Isabel,

It is all starting to make sense now. I hadn't realised that George had actually married twice. That would account for the discrepancies I thought I had with the range of birthdates of his children. I believe that Ann Pike was born c. 1625 and the Violet/Pike marriage was in 1643. Then George's youngest daughter Elizabeth was born in 1638  ??? so I was beginning to think I had two generations - but maybe not  ;D

I know the last bit says that (daughter) Elizabeth first married George Baker of Stanford (Nov 1661), then she married John Crowch of Hertford (Oct 1662). The Crowch line is my family.

Thanks also for George's age. I had no ide when he was born so that's a BIG bonus.

Yippee - another branch back to 1500's  8)

Many thanks for your help and time

Di
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Re: Latin on Grave and memorial - Help please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 14:37 BST (UK) »
I'm glad if that seems to make sense, however as I said my Latin is rusty (my old teacher is probaby turning in his grave right now!) and someone else may well correct me.
The lower part of the inscription says Georgiu et Elizabeth - George AND Elizabeth. Depending on when this monument was erected is it possible that Eliz. who married George Baker & then John Crowch was George Pike's widow rather than his daughter? As a second wife she could have been much younger than he was. Or maybe you have a birth record for his daughter  Elizabeth?  Maybe I'm talking through my hat..... I'd better away and do some housework instead!
Isabel
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland