Death in Gravesend

[mordecai]

 Hi I am new to Roots web although I have been doing geneolagy for 8 years now. I have one relative who has caused me a lot of searching and trouble. She was born c 1834 in Milton,Kent -one Sarah Dartnell/Dartnail to Thomas Fisher Dartnell and Elizabeth Ann Hands. She was christened at Chalk Church, with the mother a widow in 1841 and 1851 Census, married Samuel Coffee in 1851 at Chalk Church and with him in census 1861 and 1871. Samuel dies and she remarries W H Draper in 1880 and I cannot find any sign of them in the 1881 Census, she would have still had young children with her. I have  searched the area where other families lived street by street but no luck . In 1891 she shows up in Northfleet now as Sarah Draper  with 3 of her sons. In 1901 she is living with just one son in Northfleet now as Sarah Coffee. Her given census age never jives with her birth date but hey shes a woman!  Then I cannot find any record of her death either as Dartnell/Coffee/Draper. Any one got any suggestions? I would like to hear from you. She was my GGGrandmother

[casalguidi]

Hi Mordecai

Welcome to Rootschat

Freebmd isn't complete but there is a death showing in the Strood registration district (covers Northfleet at that time) for a Sarah DRAPER December quarter 1917 age 84 ref. 2a 811

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Have you found William Henry DRAPER in 1881 or do you have any information from another source ie. census/marriage to give some further information about him?

What are the names of her children and when/where were they born?

Casalguidi

[lizdb]

The IGI has the following christenings of children of Samuel Coffee and Sarah:

26 Sept 1852 Sarah - in Chalk
8 Mar 1857 Hannah - in Chalk
31 JAn 1869 MAry Jane - in Milton

Big age gaps - you mention sons, so I guess they could be in between

[lizdb]

But I cant find any of those girls on 1881 census either! Guess they could well have married

[mordecai]

Relying here to several queries. I do have all their children from a family bible and then checked where possible from : Sarah 1852,James 1854,Hannah 1857,Samuel 1859,John 1861,Henry 1864,Thomas 1866,mary Jane 1868,William Jacob 1872,Arthur 1876.

Her husband Samuel Coffee died in 1876 before Arthur was born, William Jacob also died in 1876, Mary Jane died in 1879,Thomas died but not until 1893. I have the marriage cert for this wedding between Sarah and William Henry. William was a Labourer and his father was a Lime burner so perhaps born somewhere in Derbyshire? They are also in evidence in 1881 when Sarahs son John married , Sarah and WH are the witnesses. many of Sarahs sons went into the navy or merchant
navy but I should still be able to find 5 year old Arthur .

That death of 84  yr old Sarah Draper could be mine I will have to send for that cert. Thanks -for some reason I didn't find that through FreeBMD and was thinking I'd have to look through films. 

[toni*]

Hannah Coffee m. Q4 1874 Rochdale 4a 391 to Alfred Thomas E Horlock.

this is the 1881 census:~

RG11/ 876 66 57

she is living with Alfred, children and her brother John Coffee

[toni*]

could Arthur have become Arthur Draper? i found his birth as Arthur Coffee Q4 1876 North Aylesford
there is an inmate of the same name b. 1876 at St Pancras Workhouse Kings Road, no birthplace given.

[mordecai]

Hi Yes Hannah married Alfred Horlock... I have also found this 5 year old Arthur Draper in the workhouse but cannot figure out why he would be there in St Pancras ? the family seems to have more of a tradition of helping each other out in tough times, this family had a few  There is also a Sarah Draper working as a Dom Ser about the right age so maybe WH Draper took off on her ? These are all the hard to answer questions that we find in our searches, I guess one can only propose these scenarios?

[toni*]

workhouses were sometimes the only access to medical care that people could get so mayeb he was poorly.