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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #315 on: Monday 12 November 07 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Annie what a  truly  good  person  you  must be  to  do  these  downloads  at  your  own  expense ... as  did  JAP.  That is  utterly  amazing.  I  know that  you  do  these  things  for  others  having  had  this  first  hand with  your generosity.  Words fail  me.

now  another  OH MY GOD  can  be  heard  from  north queensland,  that woman  certainly  got about.  Never assume    however  what are the  odds,  cannot find any  sort of  marriage through  in  Vic  or nsw  for  her and Ebenezer bransgrove.  So  he might  have been  the  "husband"  who  died  in  1867  according  to  her  marriage to  poor Peter.

 I  reckon  if we ever  find  her death  the  headstone  may very well read

"  Never  let  the truth  get in  the way  of anything"

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #316 on: Monday 12 November 07 10:39 GMT (UK) »
Well what a saga!

In 1855 when Ebenzer Bransgrove was tried one of the witnesses for the prisoners was Mrs J Eastman which I assume is Jane Heasman.I haven't been able to locate that actual transcripts of the trail.
Yet in 1856 Jane doesn't appear to be with Bransgrove when the children were admitted to the orphanage.
In 1859 when  the children lefth the orphanage they went to the sister Jane Wilkinson-why not the mother?is she already in Vic with Bransgrove
In 1862 we now know Jane is with Mr Bransgrove.
In 1862,1863 & 1865 three of the sisters all marry in the Daylesford district.Is Jane there with Bransgrove.
In 1869 she is back in Melbourne marrying Peter Anderson.
Both Jane the mother and Jane the daughter appear to be connected to a hotel perhaps in Queen Street.
As William appears to have done a bunk I don't think she ever married Bransgrove but would of still be young enough to have some children.
I did check the inquests for William Heasman but no sign-thought if he did suicide there would be a record.
Why is Ebenzer Bransgrove dying in NSW-did it not work out and he left-hence Jane going to Melbourne from Daylesford and getting work in a pub.
Really need to find her death.
Did you notice both Janes married 3 days apart?
Annie

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #317 on: Monday 12 November 07 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Another  thing  I  noted  that seemed a  little  odd to  me was that on  the Death  certificate for wee George Heasman.  Peder Anderson  was  listed  as  friend! 

Wasn't he.... if I  have  been  listening carefully....  he was  his step-father.  He,  Peter  having  married Jane Hesaman matriach  by  then.

regards jenn
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SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #318 on: Monday 12 November 07 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Jenn
You are right it is strange to put down a friend-maybe his English wasn't too good and didn't know the word for step father.

Can you check the Sands NSW for Bransgrove in the 1860s?

Annie


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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #319 on: Monday 12 November 07 11:02 GMT (UK) »
will  do

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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #320 on: Monday 12 November 07 11:10 GMT (UK) »
In  1866 and 1867

there  is  listed  a  Mrs. Bransgrove...  note  no  initial....

at  The Great Britian hotel  367 George street, Sydney


there  is  no  Listing  from  1861  to  1867  for an  ebenezer Bransgrove.

regards Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #321 on: Monday 12 November 07 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Apart from the fact that this family appears unable to lie straight in bed, there are several things about which I wouldn't get hung up at all.

For instance, Norwegian Peder, the purported step-father of little George describing himself as "A Friend" (or, if little George was a BALLI, Peder would have been step-grandfather).  I have a Vic cert where the informant is the blood Grandmother (mother of the mother) of the baby who died - but is listed as "Friend"!!

As for William HEASMAN being described as a 'Gentleman' on one cert - on Vic certs I have, all that meant when it came to my lot was, I'm sad to say, Unemployed!

And as for fake statements about being married, and fake dates for real and non-existent marriages, and fake dates for deaths of previous husbands/'husbands' etc etc - in one family I've researched in Vic these were more usual than not.

Whether or not Jane was with Mr BRANSGROVE at the time of the 1856 Petition for Admission to the Orphan School we can't know; but you'd have to assume that she would not have told the Rev J Dunmore LANG that she was with someone when she was busily pleading that she'd supported them by her own efforts but was no longer able to do so due to infirmity.  And, having pleaded infirmity in 1856, how could she have admitted that she was suddenly able to care for them in 1859 - fewer questions would be asked were they to be released into the care of their sister.

Interesting that Mrs J EASTMAN was a witness for the defence - this presumably the same Jane who, writing the pathetic letter to the creditors, said that her husband had listened to the advice of evil men!

Incidentally, I guess that the HEASMAN/MORININI mc does not necessarily mean that Jane was with BRANSGROVE - it might just mean that she was going by the name BRANSGROVE ...

It would certainly be interesting to see whether any members of the families, and those connected to them, appear in the various Victorian/Melbourne directories ...

JAP

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #322 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 01:18 GMT (UK) »
What's Happening??  Has Rootschat accepted sponsorship?

What are all these place names that are highlighted blue and double underlined doing on rootschat?  Can everyone see them or is it a virus on my computer.

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #323 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 01:50 GMT (UK) »
Hello  there Red

no  it is  not  a  virus  it  is some  sort of  "adds"  how weird  is  that
check  out  this  topic

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,267750.0.html

damn  annoying but if  it  all helps trystan  then  we  have to get  used to  it.

regards Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.au