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Offline jmp

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Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« on: Saturday 13 October 07 23:30 BST (UK) »
An archivist looking through the parish records of Ash near Sandwich has come across a reference to a John Ratcliff being "paid 9d for 500 Quick" in 1834.

John was either a labourer or a weaver at the time - I dont know if that helps.

The only references I have been able to find is that it may relate to Hawthorn or couch grass but it seems a very strange thing to be paid for.

I wondered therefore if "Quick" is a peculiarly Kentish term for something else ???

Anyone any other ideas please
Jackie
Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske

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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 October 07 09:32 BST (UK) »
In the 1750's Hawthorn was grown and sold as plants or sets by nursery gardeners for hedges known as a Quick or Quickset hedge, a Quick denoted a live hedge. 
I dont know if that had changed by 1834.

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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 October 07 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hence the quote from - i think Shakespeare - the Quick and the Dead. ?

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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 October 07 10:58 BST (UK) »
Quote from: dj
Hence the quote from - i think Shakespeare - the Quick and the Dead. ?

Sorry dj, it's the Bible

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The phrase The Quick and the Dead originates in the bible, 1 Peter Chapter 4 (verse 5 in the King James Version), describing Jesus' judgment of all people, both living (quick being an older phrase with that meaning) and dead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quick_and_the_Dead  (includes original quote)

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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 October 07 11:27 BST (UK) »
Oh dear Bob !

oh well !! i'm sure God will forgive  me eh ??  ::) My halo is definately round my knees  ;D

Interesting about the hedges tho !!  :)
Debz

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Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
Gamble and Clement Calcutta
SHAW-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
WILD-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 October 07 11:46 BST (UK) »

The Hawthorn is also known as Quickthorn and is still sold under that name as a hedging plant today.

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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins

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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 October 07 15:02 BST (UK) »
Were there enclosures around Ash in the 1830s?  Quite possible -if so the new owners (of formerly common land) were planting hedges round their propery as fast as they could dig the holes.  Most of the these were quickthorn & blackthorn.  They last, too, unless they were grubbed out by agrobusiness in the 1960s & 70s - we've stil got enclosure hedges in Oxfordshire.
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Re: Does anyone know what "Quick" is please?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 October 07 20:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone  ;D
Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske