George Luke born 1862, Cassop, Co. Durham

[Nutty1966]

Ok I can see this one for the 51 census, may be totally of line but worth a look

RG H0107 2391 575 62
NEW CASSOP

JOHN LUKE HEAD MAR 20 COAL MINER BEAMISH
SARAH DO WIFE LUMLEY
JUDITH DO DAU 8 MONTHS CASSOP

Jane

[Nutty1966]

Ok same family in 61 with more children

RG9 3743 50 11
HAIGH? HALL ROW, QUARRINTON

JOHN LUKE HEAD MAU 31 COAL MINER
SARAH DO WIFE 28
JUDITH DO DAU 10 SCHOLAR
ROBERT DO SON 8 SCHOLAR
MARTIN DO SON 6 SCHOLAR
JOHN E DO SON 4 SCHOLAR

Says all born England?

1871  Same man different wife, wonder if Sarah could have died in childbirth, I am clutching at straws here, but if George born 1862 could be possible

RG10 4968 67 11
HEUGH HALL ROW, QUARRINTON, CASSOP

JOHN LUKE HEAD MAR 40 COAL MINER BEAMISH
MARY DO WIFE 26 CASSOP
ROBERT DO SON 18 COAL MINER HEUGH HALL ROW
MARTIN DO SON 16 COAL MINER CASSOP
JOHN DO SON 6 SCHOLAR HEUGH HALL ROAW
MARGARET HARDY SERVANT 20 COXHOE

What do you think??  Do any of the names ring a bell in your tree

Jane

[RussG]

Morning Jane,

Many thanks for all your effort but I do not think this is the family, the names are too unfamiliar. My John I think was born in 1839 and I suspect there were brothers and sisters: James (c1840s), Ann (c1840s), Elizabeth (c1840s), Joseph (1842), James (1844), George (1849), Thomas (1851), and William (c1856).

I know Joseph (1811) the father of this lot and his second wife Margaret (c1830) were living in the 1871 census with two Georges aged 4 and 9. The 9 year old was my George but is down as a visitor (with relation crossed out). I therefore think he was Johns son but living/visiting his grandfather, Joseph.

I hope this makes sense?! 

Russ

[Nutty1966]

Morning, at least we can rule that lot out then  at work today will try and look later, unless someone else does for you


Jane

[valeside]

John Luke born 1839 married Elizabeth Evans in 1871.  Known children are Catherine b.1873, Joseph b.1874, Margaret b.1875, Thomas b.1885, James b.1886.  So I don't know if  this is your family.   John was born in Lancashire and Elizabeth came from Wales.  Elizabeth's father was called William.

George Luke was living on 1871 census with my gtx3 grandfather Joseph and his second wife Margaret.

I will do a lookup at the DRO next time I am there to see if I can find a baptism for George Luke born 1862.  You may have his birth certificate before that though, which will enable you to find his parents names.  I have traced the Luke family back to 1708 but have only done a small amount on the extended families.

[WolfieSmith]

Hello Russ,

1861 census, Heugh Hall Row, Quarrington, Co. Durham :
Joseph Luke, Head, Wid, 46, Coal Miner, b. Co. Durham Beamish,
John Luke, son, Unm, 22, Coal Miner, b. Co. Durham Coxhoe,
James Luke, son, Unm, 20, Coal Miner, b. Coxhoe,
Joseph Luke, son, Unm, 18, Coal Miner, b. Coxhoe,
Jane Luke, dau, 16, b. Coxhoe,
Ann Luke, dau, 13, b. Coxhoe,
George Luke, son, 11, b. Coxhoe,
Thomas Luke, son, 9, b. Coxhoe,
William Luke, son, 7, b. Coxhoe,
Elizabeth Luke, dau, 3, b. Coxhoe,

Looks like this is the Joseph Luke from 1871, confirms he had a son John of the right age to be Georges father.

There is a marriage of a John Luke and an Eleanor Clark, Mar qtr 1862, Durham, vol 10a, page 283. Took place in Durham Central area according to Durham Registrars site, includes Cassop and Quarrington. Can't see them in 1871 census.

There is a death of an Eleanor Luke, Jun qtr 1866, Durham vol 10a, page 194, aged 26.

In 1861 census, Front Row, Cassop there is an Ambrose Clark and family including daughter Elleanor Clark, aged 21, b. Pity Me, Co. Durham. Could be John Lukes wife.

Alan.

[RussG]

Many thanks Wolfiesmith and Valeside,

What I am beginning to find is that the Luke family was so massive it is very difficult to trace relatives. The George Luke in the 1871 census Valeside is almost certainly mine, (that is the 'visitor' aged 9) but the really confusing bit is my mums maiden name is Evans, and my grandfather Wilfred Evans married Alice Luke (Georges daughter) and the Evans are from Lancashire and before that Wales (my ggGrandfather Joshua Clark Evans was from Welshpool). Also the family middle name is Clark. This I think is coincidence at the moment.

However Valeside, I suspect we have the same ggg grandfather, Joseph but I know nothing about John so whether he came from Lancashire I cannot tell. I suppose it is possible that Eleanor was my gggrandmother and she died in 1866, John married again to Elizabeth and my George was classed as a visitor???

I need to get Georges birth certificate I think.

Thanks again,

Russ

[WolfieSmith]

Hello Russ,
There is a baptism at Thornley Methodist Church, 19 May 1864 :
John George Luke, of Cassop, son of John and Ellen.

This is probably the John George Luke referred to in Janes post, birth registered April-June 1862.  I suspect this is your George.

In the same place, and quarter that Eleanor Luke died in 1866, there is a birth and infant death of an Ambrose Luke, its possible she died in childbirth.

Alan.

[RussG]

Hi Alan,

We are definately from Thornley and I think it is possible thet Eleanor could have been my g grandmother but my George was certainly called George and not John George.

It is very confusing though and the Luke and Evans seem to have been the most complicated so far.

Thanks again,

Russ