"The Sign of the Hoop and Adze", 37 St John's St, Clerkenwell pre 1825

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi, Everyone,
I was wondering whether anyone has come across any references prior to 1825 to the public house known as "The Sign of the Hoop and Adze", which was situated at 37, St John's Street, Clerkenwell, and for whom Godfrey LLOYDS (or LLOYD) was the landlord at the time of his death in 1825.  An advertisement in the Times in December 1825 was followed by a further one in 1826, so his executors were obviously having trouble selling the lease.
I was wondering how long before that it flourished as a pub or perhaps as a brewery at the back...
Very best wishes,
keith

[Dave Francis]

Hi Keith

I remember looking into this one before.

Can't remember if I gave you this though...

Holden's Annual London and Country Directory (1811)
"London Alphabet of Professions, Trades &c.
...
Lloyd Godfrey, wine vaults, 37, St. John-st
... "

Cheers
Dave

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi again, Dave!
And yes you did help me before, but this is an exciting new piece of info on the whole situation, which brings things backwards in time a further 14 years.  Interesting that this is the second reference to this individual where his surname is noted as LLOYD rather than LLOYDS...
Thanks very much,
keith

[tazzie]

   Hi Keith......

  Would it be the same one mentioned in Old Bailey online for the years 1744 & 1776.

  The one for 1744 says in Clerkenwell area ....St James for the defendants address.

                            Tazzie

[Keith Sherwood]

Tazzie,
Haven't seen those two yet - could you tell me what  words I need to key in to get them up on that site, please?
keith

[Keith Sherwood]

Actually, Tazzie,
Prompted by you I've keyed in the name Godfrey LLOYD and the Old Bailey site threw up two cases in which he was the wronged person, both in 1824.  The July one has someone stealing "3 drinking glasses", which makes it possible that they belonged to a pub or drinking place - there's also a brother called Valentine LLOYD.
In the other case in September at "Battic Street, Commercial Rd" it looks as though a Godfrey LLOYD was looking after his brother John LLOYD's clothing shop when some cloth was stolen.
Might be the same person, could be the same person as the Godfrey LLOYD (S) I'm trying to trace in connection with this St John's Street pub.
Still haven't checked over the 1744 and 1776 crimes, but if this is the right individual, then there are two more brothers with forenames to consider...
keith

[tazzie]

   Hi Keith.....

 type in Hoop and adze

  both are witness accounts and do not give publican names. One is a cooper working there...so brewery... and early dates.

  Might be worth looking for old maps to pinpoint it over the years. I cannot find it on a current listing so could have been given some new cool name.

                               Tazzie

[Keith Sherwood]

Thanks for coming back on this, Tazzie,
It really is a most remarkable site for digging up people and places connected with our family history, isn't it?  I'll try Hoop and Adze, then...
keith
N.B. I've just now looked again at the July 1824 case, and it doesn't say that Godfrey and Valentine were brothers, only that they owned the drinking glasses.  I suppose they might have been father and son, as Godfrey LLOYD(S) had a son born in 1799 called Valentine.  He might also have had a brother that I as yet have no knowledge yet with that forename...