Did they serve in WW1

[Kimberley]

1901 census (RG13/465 folio 130 pge 6)

71 Crescent Lane,Clapham

Frederick Roberts 39 & wife Alice Maud Roberts 36 are recorded with four(4) sons.

Percy Frederick ROBERTS 12 b Dulwich
Charles Thomas ROBERTS 8 b Clapham
Harold Cecil ROBERTS 5 b Clapham
Nelson Ernest ROBERTS 2 b Clapham.

Would like to know if they served in WW1 and where I would find there records !

[mmm45]

There was a Harold Cecil Roberts born Clapham resident clapham park enlisted Clapham
Killed in action 7/6/17
G/40088 Queens Royal West Surreys
formerly 2423 Surrey Yeomanry(Territorial)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=5085073&queryType=1&resultcount=4

Theres only 1 Nelson E Roberts  on the NA Medal Cards(thats not definate evidence its his card as if he never went abroad he wouldnt have a card)

Theres a Charles T Roberts also listed as 2364 Surrey Yeomanry id put money on that been Harolds brother the numbers are pretty close.

Theres 2x Percy F Roberts.

Hope this helps

[Kimberley]

There was a Harold Cecil Roberts born Clapham resident clapham park enlisted Clapham
Killed in action 7/6/17
G/40088 Queens Royal West Surreys
formerly 2423 Surrey Yeomanry(Territorial)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=5085073&queryType=1&resultcount=4

Theres only 1 Nelson E Roberts  on the NA Medal Cards(thats not definate evidence its his card as if he never went abroad he wouldnt have a card)

Theres a Charles T Roberts also listed as 2364 Surrey Yeomanry id put money on that been Harolds brother the numbers are pretty close.

Theres 2x Percy F Roberts.

Hope this helps

Thanks mmm45

I'm not sure if this does help !!

These things raise more questions sometimes than they solve !

Are there service records in England that would detail nok dob etc etc.

So please expain what I do next to establish if these guys are the sons of the Frederick William Roberts 39 in 1901 census ?

If this is the Frederick William Roberts born 11th December 1861 - Peploe Street,Hoole,Chester (Son of Joseph & Ann Joule Roberts) Bingo !!!!!

He was recorded in 1871 & 1881 census (RG11/3702/40/14) in West Derby...but Clapham is in London I think..so he is a long way away in 1891 & 1901 census.

I'm really tracing this family because I think they are related to me !
So if the sons were all killed in WW1,it's unlikely there are any descendants left in England.

Once again thank you.

[mmm45]

Hi Kimberly
Theres only one killed (Harold) in action the rest on this list  served and survived
The problem with British service records is that 2/3rds were destroyed by the Luftwaffe bombing them in 1940!! plus you need to visit Kew or pay a researcher to go see if they were amongst the ones who survived.
They would have NOK details on them.

The Medal Cards only show entitlement and maybe a bit of other info.But no addresses etc!

The Commonwealth War Graves site doesnt give next of kin for Harold

Ady

[mmm45]

Another avenue is that there was A National Roll of Honour produced in volumes.It was pay per entry so not everyone who served is in it but there was one for London it has a small biography and addresses so theres a slight chance they may be in it...Someone online may have the London Volume.

[stonechat]

I think the roll of honour can be access through findmaypast.com on a ppv basis

Bob

[Kimberley]

There was a Harold Cecil Roberts born Clapham resident clapham park enlisted Clapham
Killed in action 7/6/17
G/40088 Queens Royal West Surreys
formerly 2423 Surrey Yeomanry(Territorial)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=5085073&queryType=1&resultcount=4

Theres only 1 Nelson E Roberts  on the NA Medal Cards(thats not definate evidence its his card as if he never went abroad he wouldnt have a card)

Theres a Charles T Roberts also listed as 2364 Surrey Yeomanry id put money on that been Harolds brother the numbers are pretty close.

Theres 2x Percy F Roberts.

Hope this helps

Sure did !

Commonwealth War Grave Commission site records

Lance Corporal Harold Cecil ROBERTS - The Queens Regiment (Royal West Surrey Reg)
Service # G/40088 killed 7/6/1917 (Memorial Menin Gate)

     also

Private Nelson Ernest ROBERTS - Hertfordshire Regiment
Service # 203421 killed 30/3/1918 age 19 *** son of Alice Maud ROBERTS,19 Chatsworth Road,West Norwood,London and late Frederick ROBERTS