(Somerset) 1841/1851 Census Lookup Requests Please For William ROSSITER

[CatOne]

You're not kidding about his family being complicated!! All having children around the same time with the same names! 

Right, to start at the beginning then, William in 1841?

HO107/964/11 Folio 18 Page 2
Middlezoy, Somerset
John Rossiter 35 Ag Lab Y
Mary 45 Y
Kezia 15 Y
Caroline 11 Y
William 9 Y (yob c1832)

1851 HO107/1924 Folio 455 Page 8
Middlezoy, Somerset
John Rossiter 50 Ag Lab Middlezoy
Mary 61 Middlezoy
Kezia 21 Middlezoy
Caroline 19 Middlezoy
William 15 Ag Lab Middlezoy (yob c1836)

(in 1861, theres just John, Mary and Kezia in Middlezoy)
(in 1871, its just Mary and Kezia)

1871 RG10/2384 Folio 8 Page 8
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 48 Ag Lab Middlezoy (dont know what happens with the ages here but the children match up  )
Mary A 47 Somerset Longport
William 10 Scholar Australia
Mary J 7 Scholar Middlezoy
Jesse 5 Scholar Middlezoy
John 3 Scholar Middlezoy


1881 RG11/2373 Folio 5 Page 4
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 47? General Labourer Middlezoy (yob c1834)
Mary A 54 Laundress Ireland
Jesse 14 Middlezoy
John 12 Middlezoy

1891 RG12/1882 Folio 16 Page 6 (married Eliza Berry, Bridgwater March 1886 Vol 5c Page 524)
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 58 Ag lab Middlezoy (yob c1833)
Eliza wife 30 Bridgwater
Mary J E Berry stepdau 8 Scholar Bristol


so..... it would seem that this William was in Australia at around the time the 1861 census was taken. So it would seem this William is not the one in Wales with wife Ann and Francis, that you started this thread with! 

Not sure whether thats helped or just confused things more 

[rcuser]

Hi CatOne,

Many thanks for that. I really appreciate your taking the trouble to look this up.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few of this type of case. Another one is 4 Henrys all born in Frome in 1844, but I'll save that for another day.

I'll digest this info, see how it fits with my database and get back to you.

Thanks again for your help.

Best wishes

rcuser

[CatOne]

Couldn't let this one go, don't like being defeated  so carried on looking -

1861 RG9/4017 Folio 43 Page 1
65 Marshes Road, Newport St Woolos, Monmouthshire
John Rossiter 44 Ag Lab Frome Somersetshire
Caroline 40 Newport Monmouthshire
Charles 10 Labourer General Newport Monmouthshire
Eliza 2 Newport Monmouthshire


1871 RG10/5342 Folio 13 Page 19
28 Marshes Road, Newport
Selina Birt m 24 Laundress Frome
William son 1 Newport
Caroline Rossiter wid 47 Frome deaf
Elizabeth sister 12 Newport
Sarah Jane sister 5 Newport
Charles cousin 23 Working in nail factory Frome
George cousin 21 Working in nail factory Frome

and at 27 Marshes Road -
William Rossiter 39 Plumber at Ironworks Road
Ann 37 Wilts ...?
Francis 7 Newport


1881

56 Marshes Road, Newport
Selina Burt mar 35 Sailors wife Frome
Eliza 13 Scholar Newport
William 11 Scholar Newport
Selina 6 Newport
Lilly 6mo Newport
/
Caroline Rossiter widow 57 Frome
William son unmar 41 Labourer Ironworks Road
Frank son unmar 17 Labourer Ironworks Newport

ok, so how come her husband is alive in 1891 but changed name from John to William??? or did she marry another Rossiter??

RG12/4371 Folio 8 Page 12
48 Marshes Road, Newport
William Rossiter 70 General Labourer Wiltshire
Caroline 67 Wiltshire
in house of Elizth Newton (42 b Newport) and family. Is she nee Rossiter??

and in 1901 hes lost 10 years!

RG13/4961 Folio 74 Page 36
40 Orchard Street, Newport
William Polson? 42 Labourer Brickworks Liverpool
Selina wife 54 Frome (Selina Birt remarried I presume)
William Rossiter boarder 70 Pensioner Waterworks Frome
Violet Birt dau 13 Newport
Edgar Birt son Newport

So are William and John the same? or did Caroline marry first a John then a William Rossiter? I'm confused and its getting late, so I'll leave it there for now, but they certainly look like the same family, dont they? The 1871 and 1901 William match in ages but the 1881 William doesn't fit, unless the age is wrong 

I look forward to seeing this lot unscrambled! 
 

[rcuser]

Hi CatOne,

Many thanks for the monster post & the extra information.

It's certainly going to take some time to sort this one out.

William's varying birth dates make it unclear as to which William you are dealing with.

I'll sift through it all and try to piece it together.....hopefully without a nervous breakdown!! LOL!!

Have a good day.

Best wishes

rcuser

[CatOne]

LOL, serves you right for inflicting the Rossiters on me. I've been having nightmares about them last night! 

Hope you'll update the thread when you suss it out, I'm intigued by this complicated family now!

Good Luck
Catherine 

[CatOne]

To see if it helps, I thought I'd follow up Selina's cousins Charles and George. This would appear to be them in 1851/61, which hopefully will narrow down the family your William belongs to, as Job must be John's brother musn't he??

1851 HO107/1932 Folio 550 Page 20 ("Roseter")
Spring Gardens, Marston, Somerset
Job Roseter 26 Cloth Worker Somerset Lavarton
Ann 27     "       Frome
James 6 Frome
Charles 2 Frome
George 11mo Frome
Henry Lee lodger 35 Cloth Worker Gloucester Nth
Noah Bray lodger 15 Ag Lab Frome


1861 RG9/4017 Folio 44 Page 3
53 Marshes Road, Newport St Woolos, Monmouthshire
Job Rossiter 34 Labourer General Somerset Frome
Ann 36 Somerset Frome
Charles 12 Scholar Somerset Frome
George 11 Scholar Somerset Frome
Sarah 9 Scholar Somerset Frome
Ellen 3 Monmouth Newport

Unfortunately Job (15 Dyer Y Frome Selwood) is not with his family in 1841, and neither is John (25 Ag Lab Y Laverton Somerset) 

Not being able to find Selina before she became a "Birt" was bugging me too, so -

1861 RG9/1656 Folio 71 Page 11
Mill Lane, Lullington, Somerset
George Sadler 60 mar Ag Lab Lullington
George son 24 Ag Lab Lullington
Charles son 20 Shoemaker journ Lullington
Celina Rossiter niece 14 House servant Frome

(Possible marriage on IGI - George Sadler and Ann Rossiter 13/09/1833 Luxborough, Somerset)

And looks like Caroline did marry another Rossiter -
William Rossiter Dec 1881 Newport M Vol 11a Page 258
Brides - Caroline Rossiter (I've found the other couple together in 1891)

Regards
Catherine 

[rcuser]

Hi Catherine,

John & Job were brothers.

They were the sons of James Rossiter &  Sarah Dyer Day.

Selina who married William Birt was the daughter of John Rossiter & Caroline Stone.She later married William Poulson.

Ann Rossiter who married George Sadler was Job & John's sister.

Caroline did marry a William Rossiter in 1881 but I don't know about him.

There's also a lack of clarity about William born 1832 in Road who married Ann from Wiltshire. He could be John & Job's brother or Caroline's son or he could be the 2nd husband of Caroline.

There's also a question mark over Francis born 1864 at Newport as to whose son he is.

I'm in contact with a family member who feels Francis is not  the son of Caroline.

Now read on.....

Best wishes

rcuser

[CatOne]

I wondered why I couldn't find Selina Rossiter in the 1851 census, the only Selina that kept coming up was a Selina Stone in the Work House! So I guess she was illegitimate?

And I see Caroline Stone and 2 sons? Charles aged 2 and John aged 9 are also in the workhouse.

Thanks for the summary, nice to have the puzzle unravelled a little

Good Luck with the rest of your quest for Rossiters!

Catherine 

ps. I would guess that with Williams occupation in 1871 being Plumber at Ironworks (the one married to Ann from Wiltshire), that he is the same William who became to second husband of Caroline and is on 1901 census as "Pensioner waterworks". (The ages and birthplace match too, Road being a part of Frome according to a website I checked out)

[crow]

Hi Catherine,

John & Job were brothers.

They were the sons of James Rossiter & Sarah Dyer Day.

Selina who married William Birt was the daughter of John Rossiter & Caroline Stone.She later married William Poulson.

Ann Rossiter who married George Sadler was Job & John's sister.

Caroline did marry a William Rossiter in 1881 but I don't know about him.

There's also a lack of clarity about William born 1832 in Road who married Ann from Wiltshire. He could be John & Job's brother or Caroline's son or he could be the 2nd husband of Caroline.

There's also a question mark over Francis born 1864 at Newport as to whose son he is.

I'm in contact with a family member who feels Francis is not the son of Caroline.

Now read on.....

Best wishes

rcuser

Hi
I researched the Rossiters for many years and linking the relationships have been a nightmare.
Frank Rossiter was my ggrandfather born 8th October 1863, Marshes Road, Newport, mother was Caroline Rossiter nee Stone. There is no father on the birth certificate.
Frank was married 25th October 1886, Newport, father was stated as William Rossiter but as you know William didn't marry Caroline Stone until 25th December 1881 at St Marys, Malpas, Newport.
Williams Father on the marriage cert was stated as Job Rossiter and Williams age was 52. Caroline age was 58 and her father was George Stone.
In 1901 William is living with Selina Birt, Carolines daughter. His age was 70 which is quite close to the age on the marriage cert baring in mind that he married at the end of 1881.
There is a William Rossiter age 76 who died in Newport in 1906 which looks to be him, I will send for the death cert to try to find out.
Carolines daughter Selina was born 26th August 1846 in Balch (looks like), Frome, mother Caroline Rossiter formerly Stone, father John Rossiter. I've searched for many years and not been able to find a record of Carolines marriage.
We may never know who Frank Rossiters real father was, the only hope I have is finding some thing in the parish records but not yet been successful.
I hope this info will help.

thanks

Keith