The "luck" of the Irish!!

[blodwen]

Now it is my turn!

I am now lucky to be able to research for my Irish ancestors, which I know, from reading other posts, that this is not very easy!

Still, some kind soul might be able to help.

Looking for Mary Keefe, b. 1859 in Carrickmacross (as told by relatives). 
She married Frederick Wright in 1881, in the Parish Church of St. Pauls, Middlesbrough.  (Thought she would have married in a Catholic Church?)
Father is Patrick Keefe, occ. Stoker/Slater

Canfind Mary/Frederick in 1881 Census (RG 11/4853/68/13) lodging with a family Watts.

No other reference to Mary before that - have looked in both Wales and England censuses.  Neither can I find a family with Patrick as head that would fit the bill.

Looking at various websites for the area, cannot not seem to establish that the Keefes where a name in the area.

Does anone have any idea where to go from here?

Thank you.

Vivien

[aghadowey]

Have you tried searching also under O'Keefe? My cousins have relatives that used both Keefe and O'Keefe spellings in various records. Would also check for a birth in Ireland- same cousins have relative born in Ireland in all census records but on the death certificate the birthplace is given as 'Cardiff, Ireland'- yes, they were born in Cardiff, Wales of Irish parents.

[blodwen]

Thankyou for your input, aghadowey.

I have since found a record in the 1871 Census for Wales that might fit.
RG10, 5378,15,24.

There, the daugher Mary is b. 1857 which is not far out from 1859, but her birth place is down as Llanwonno, and the father is down as Patrick O Keefe,
which I would take to be the family.
Found him in 1881 with daugher Ann (Wife has died between the two censuses).
Found two brothers who would fit into the family too (with their own wives).

I take it from that, that they came over between 1861 and 1871 and I know that there is no way of knowing exactly when.

The trouble is, where are they from?  Where can I find a marriage of Patrick "O'" Keefe to a Catherine.

[aghadowey]

That certainly looks promising. Would have thought the family were Catholic. Seems like a lot of Irish ended up in Wales in mid-1800s.
Do you know the name of Patrick O'Keefe/Keefe's wife?

[blodwen]

You are right - I have other Irish ancestors from the same side going through Wales on their travels to Middlesbrough.  That will be my next adventure!  Although I do know that they came from the Cork area.

Back to the O'Keefe/Keefe saga

On the 1871 Census Patrick's wife is as Catha(e)rine.  (Makes sense as the name runs through the family)

All I need to do is find the marriage   

Or a birth entry for Mary, or her brother Edward, b. c. 1849!!!

Have had a hint that I should look for all variations of the name.  Will try that.

[blodwen]

I am just wondering -

 knowing that the Irish definition for Patrick is Pardraig - does anyone think I should be looking for this christian name???

[blodwen]

Don't worry about it - have just tried this variation on the "failte romhat" site -

answer - no results.

Okay, could have worked.

[aghadowey]

Just typed a reply here but it disappeared after I thought I'd posted it! Will try again.
My cousins relatives also went from Co. Cork to Wales- might have been a lot of Irish did the same, especailly of there were ships traveling that way.

Don't think Patrick would have used the name Padraig in Wales or England- but you might want to look out for Paddy as well.

What about local church records? Also, have you tried to find marriage for Patrick & Catherine in Wales or England?

P.S. why is this on Monaghan board?

[blodwen]

Hallo aghadowey,
 
I really appreciate your help here.  Am at a loss.
I have two other "sets" of Irish ancestors who came from Cork to Wales and then further on to Middlesbrough.  They are next on the list!!!!!


In answer to your question - my only known link was Carrickmacross, which is/was in Monaghan - that is why I posted on this board.   

But obviously, I need to travel south to the Cork area.

My g-g-grandmother Mary Wright, née Keefe/O'Keefe/Keeffe, was born in Ireland, so I need to find the marriage of her parents, Patrick and Catherine in Ireland.

Some kind soul/moderator could transfer this post to the appropriate site ??

Thank you very much for your time.