Toddington PR lookup - Cawcutt - Thread Reconstruction

[bedfordshire boy]

Before RootsChat crashed at around 10.30a.m GMT - fortunately the commercial links still work,
KM posted a request:

4.50 am Uk time
Seeking help with Baptisms 1830-35:
Parents - James Cawcutt & Ann Briden
James Cawcutt - 1833
Sally  Cawcutt - 1835
Ann Cawcutt - 1836

Also, the burial of Sally Cawcutt between 1835-37.

Surname sometimes listed as - Cawcott, Caucut, Caucutt,

Any help appreciated,
With thanks, KM

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John replied at 7.25a.m.

Good morning KM  & welcome to RootsChat....

Almost all of Bedfordshire baptisms & marriages are contained on the IGI at the FamilySearch site

Toddington has baptisms of daughters of James  Cawcutt & Ann

Ann Cawcutt on 1 Apr 1830,   plus her death on 5 May 1832
Sally Caucutt on 16 Nov 1835

& there is Jemima Caucutt on 22 Nov 1835, daughter of John Caucutt & Sarah

regards John

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Bedfordshire Boy 8.20 a.m.

Half way through a reply when the IGI went down - there are other children I spotted under other spellings. I'll repost asap!

What are all these blue type underlined places eg Bedfordshire in John's response, with a link to a commercial site?  Oh, I see.  Common Room* says that Rootschat is now allowing this intrusive advertising. Well I suppose it pays their bills and keeps the site free. I expect I'll learn to avoid running the cursor over them and if I miss to ignore them the same as the rest of the ads!

David

* These threads have mysteriously now been censored ie deleted! I have one still open in another window which when I try to get into it afresh gives me: "An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you". Lots of negative comments I imagine. Later - it transpires that the threads were merged with another thread while I had them open, which is why the error message was generated. Pity there's no automated redirect, but the messages can still be read in another thread, so NO censorship was involved

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John 8.42 a.m.

morning David,  yes the IGI dissapeared as I was typing my topic so I hope my info is accurate as I was wanting to check it out..

... as to the irritating blue link words suddenly appearing... shame the site they send you to (if you're dumb enough to do so) doesn't open a new window.  I now spell bed-ford-shire like this to confound it.

John

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Bedfordshire Boy 10.07 a.m.

Hi KM, and welcome to RootsChat

John types faster than I do, and he doesn't have to take an 8 year old to school, (and now the IGI site is down) so some of what I've got duplicates what he posted!

In 1841 the family appears to be:
HO107/5/34/3 folio 11A
Duck Lane Toddington
James Caulcolt 29 (or 39) ag lab
Ann 27 (or 37); Betsey 10; Sarah 5
Mary Childs 69
All born in Beds
(I cannot decide if James and Ann are 29/27 or 39/37, the first figure is so bad. I've had a quick look at 1851 when they were both in their 40s so 39/37 looks to be the right answer - shout if you would like full details of 1851, but there aren't any more children)

If you check the IGI at www.familysearch.org you will find various baptisms under various spellings (these are all extracted from the parish register so are reliable), all children of James and Ann:
Ann Cawcutt 1 Apr 1830 (see below for burial)
Betsey Cawarth 25 March 1832
Sally Caucutt 16 Nov 1835
Ann Caulcut 28 Oct 1836
James Caulcott 10 May 1846 (see below for burial)


There are burials at Toddington of Ann Cawcutt age 2+ on 5 May 1832, and James Cawcutt infant on 9 July 1846.

What makes you think that Sally died young, as she appears on the 1841 census as Sarah?

I can't see what happened to Ann baptised 1836 - she doesn't appear in the 1841 census, nor is there an obvious burial 1836-41 under any spelling

The John Caucutt father of Jemima mentioned by John may be the John Cawcutt age 25 buried on 8 July 1836 at Toddington

One of my main lines is Surkitt from nearby Husborne C rawley (space put in middle to avoid the ad) and Woburn, which like Cawcutt has 1001 spelling variations. I've often wondered if there is any connection between the two but have never found one.
Regards

David

** It looks as though James was married twice and his marriage on 20 May 1833 was his second, which makes his daughter Betsey to be from his first m arriage (another ad blocked)to Ann Childs on 8 March 1830. I can't see his first wife's burial though. Wonder what Ann Briden made of sharing her house with who was presumably his first mother in law?

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This was too interesting a thread to be lost! Fortunately I still have it open in another window so have been able to retrieve it

David

[johnP-bedford]

David,  Just sent a PM to KM to tell him/her what's what & your reply is at this topic...  I was just checking to see if new members got lost as well ! but they joined up beforehand. 

[KM]

Thanks for all the Cawcutt tips.

The family I am interested in returned to Hanslope, Bucks, by 1841; the birthplace of James Cawcutt.

James Cawcutt, 1805-1876, married Ann Briden, 1807-1850, in Toddington, Bed. 20 May 1833. James was a shoemaker. James & Ann both died in Hanslope.

By the 1830's, the family name was spelt Caucutt in Buckinghamshire.

It seems that there may be two families to explore, which may tie up some loose ends in this unusual family tree, although I can't quite unravel the Toddington clues.

In 1841 & 1851, Jemima Caucut was living with her grandfather, William Warner and Sarah Warner (who is possibly her mother).

There are several possibilities for John CAWCUT -
1. Brother of James, born 1808 in Hanslope, Bucks; but what happened to him?
2. He did not marry Sarah (she listed in the census under her maiden name)
3. He was the uncle of James, born Hanslope, Bucks; 1783, who lived in Roade & Bugbrooke, NTH. and was married to his third wife - Hannah Clarke at the time of Jemima's birth. etc.

Jemima married Thomas Briggs Parker, in 1858, and by 1861 was living in Shoreditch, Middlesex.

Thankyou, once again, KM

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi KM

Interesting that you think there are two families here, which would explain why I couldn't find the burial of the first Ann, and why the first mother in law was living with James in 1841!

I'll have a another look in the morning and see if I can help untangle them.

It may be a case that reference to the parish register is vital to try to separate the children, as hopefully occupations of the fathers might be given.

David

[KM]

After rechecking IGI, census & BDM records I believe there may be 3 Cawcut families -

1. James Cawcut born Hanslope, Bucks. 1805 -1876, shoemaker.
First marriage: 20 May 1833, Toddington.
Wife: Ann Briden, born Toddington, 1807-1850
Children: James born Toddington, 1833-50, Ann born Toddington, 1836-1850 and George born Hanslope, Bucks. 1837-?
N.B. Wife – Ann Briden, and children James & Ann all died of typhus in 1850, in Hanslope, Bucks.

2. John Cawcut , brother of the above James, born Hanslope, Bucks, 1808-1836, occupation – unknown.
Married: 26 April 1835, Toddington.
Wife: Sarah Warner, born Toddington, 1814 -?
Children: Jemima, born Toddington, 1836 -1885.  Married Thomas B. Parker, 1858.
N.B. Jemima’s details match family notes handed down by John’s half-sister. Census lists mother, Sarah, as a widow, and under the names of Warner & Cawcut.

•Would like to know John’s occupation. Father & grandfather were stay makers, uncle a grocer, uncle a dealer in glass & china, cousin a chemist, etc. Maybe a shoemaker like his brother?

3. James CAULCOT born Barton in the Clay, Bed. 1806-1846.
Occupation - Ag. Lab.
Married: 8 March 1830, Todddington.
Wife: Ann Childs, born Toddington.
Children: Ann 1830-32, Elizabeth/Betsy/Betty 1832-? (mar. John Sinfield) & Sally/Sarah 1835-? and James 1846-1846. All born Toddington.
N.B. Unsure of any connection to James or John listed above.

Thankyou for all the suggestions, and especially David for saving the thread.
Kaye in Australia

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Kaye

You seem to have them all worked out now, and I agree with what you have reconstructed, with a couple (does Rootschat really want to be associated with sites guaranteeing I'll get laid within 2 days? What sort of egg do they think I am?  Edit -apparently not as the "couple" link has now disappeared) of comments

Number 1 family: I can't find James' (born 1833) baptism in Toddington. Nor can I find James senior in 1841

Number 3 family: James was on the 1851 census, but I can't see them in 1861, so his death was after 1851. It was his son who died in 1846.

I'm not sure if post 1812 Toddington registers are available at one of the libraries - perhaps someone more local than I could comment

Regards

David

[johnP-bedford]

Morning, you don't have to be local to find that out - just google Bedfordshire libraries...

http://www.galaxy.bedfordshire.gov.uk/webingres/bedfordshire/vlib/0.local_studies/toddington_local_studies.htm

Also available at Flitwick.

regards John    <---- not a advert tag !

[bedfordshire boy]

Thanks John. If some post 1812 parish registers have been put on fiche (presumably copies of the register rather than transcripts?) it's a pity that they're not available for purchase.

David

[KM]

Agree with comments -
1. James Cawcutt, Hanslope, not at home 1841 census night. Family members were trades people and seemed to work away from home quite a bit, so James may have been on the road. Back in Hanslope, Bucks; in 1851, 61 & 71. Remarried Hannah Simon 1851.
2. Son, James, year of birth taken from census, death certificate & burial register. 1841 – lists not born in Bucks. Assumption made that he was born in Toddington, like his younger sister.
3. James Caulcot – mistake listing death as 1846.

Would love to purchase copies of Toddington parish registers....

Kaye in Australia