John Davidson a ships carpenter from Scotland

[sjdavid]

I have been able to trace my family back to Scotland

My GGG grandfather was John Davidson a ships carpenter from Scotland married Margaret Young also from Scotland in approx 1830. The family moved to London about 1839 and can be found on the 1841 census. Unfortunately I have not been able to find Joh  on any census records with his family, I can only assume that he is working at sea.

I would appreciate any help or advice in trying to trace John Davidson, details of his marriage to Margaret Young and find a mariage date.

Steve

[AMBLY]

Hi Steve

Have you got the reference for the 1841 handy?
Just wondered about any of their children names (possible naming patterns), and i if any of them or Margaret  who were born in Scotland are  in a later Census with a more specific place of birth?

There is a submitted marriage on IGI for a John DAVIDSON and Margaret Young 1829 Aberdeen

cheers
AMBLY

[sjdavid]

Hi Ambly, Margaret appears on the 1841 census with Helen c1831, Ann c1833 and John c1838 all born in Scotland John and Margaret had two other children William c1842 and James c1845, both born in St. George in the East, Middlesex. Unfortunately only Scotland is recorded as where born. On the 1891 census I have a Margaret Davidson born in Inverness, but this has yet to be confirmed.

regards
Steve 

[runningbear]

hi pal,

can see this

1841 census- stepney

margaret...age 30..ind
helen...age 10
ann...age 8
john...age 3

1851 census- toxeth park, west derby, lancashire

margaret...age 40...ship carpenter's wife
helen...age 20
ann...age 18
john...age 13
william...age 8
james...age 6



Joe

[AMBLY]

Hi again 

Just to note the 1851 Toxteth Park census, does confirm the 3 elder chd were Scotland born as was Margaret, and the 2 younger born Middlesex........

And I can see the following - the DAVIDSON name is common in Lancs , London and Aberdeen, and common in general with a Scots connection -  the 1871 Census may not be the right Helen, but chances are high that it is - perhaps the Marriage of Helen to Joseph BATTA may be a good move to see who her father was and his occupation. Then at least you have a place in Scotland to really start - ie: Aberdeen:

1861: Worsley St Marks, Lancashire
Ref:  RG9/ Piece 2859/ Folio: 22/ Pg 37
Address: Worsley Hall Gardens
Head: James DAVIDSON 45, Gardener, b Scotland
Wife: Helen DAVIDSON 50, b Scotland
Dau: Mary Ann DAVIDSON 24, b Scotland
Sister'In-Law: Margaret DAVIDSON 50, wid, b Scotland
Nephew: John DAVIDSON 20, Carpenter, b Scotland (age is out by abt 3 years?)
Nephew: James DAVIDSON 15, b London, Middlesex

Margaret DAVIDSON's other children? (besides dau Ann - can't find her, prob married?)
1861: Son William age 17  is in Lodgings in Toxteth Park in 1861.
1861: Dau: Helen age 30 old visiting a Welsh family named  LLOYD in 1861, in Toxteth Park.

Did daughter Hellen DAVIDSON marry Joseph BATTA in 1862 Toxteth Park St. John The Baptist (C of E)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

If so, Hellen's age got younger as the years rolled on!! And if so, there is a connection to Aberdeen.....

Margaret is living with Helen & Joseph BATTA in 1871, Birkdale?
1871: Birkdale Lncashire
Ref:RG10/ Piece 3872/ Folio 41/ Pg 45
Address:  Kew Road
Head: Joseph BATTA 50,  Sailor, b Scotland
Wife: Helen BATTA 38, b Scotland  (YOB 1833)
Dau: Helena BATTA 8, b Liverpool
Son: John BATTA 5, b Liverpool
Mother In law: Margaret DAVIDSON  63, b Scotland

1881: Birkdale  Lancashire
Ref: RG11 /Piece 3745/ Folio 130/ Pg 69
Address; 10 Eastbourne Road
Head: Ellen BATTA 45, wid, Dressmaker, b Aberdeen Scotland (YOB abt 1836)
SonL John J BATTA 15, Office Boy, b Liverpool
Dau: Helena BATTA 18, Dressmaker, 18, b Liverpool

1891:  Birkdale Lancashire
Ref: RG12/ Piece 3032/ Folio 54/ PagPg 2
Address: 24 Eastborne Road
Head: Helen BATTA 53, wid, b Scotland (YOB abt 1838)
Dau: Helena BATTA 26, unm, Dressmaker, b Liverpool

RD for Birkdale is Ormskirk

FREEBMD has Lancashire events:
Marriage of Joseph BATTA & Hellen DAVIDSON 1862 West Derby
Birth of their daughter Helena BETTA 1863 West Derby
Birth of their son John J BATTA 1866 West Derby
Death of Joseph  BATTA 1872 Ormskirk 52
Death of Ellen BATTA 1893 Ormskirk age 54 (YOB 1839)
Mariage of their daughter Helena BATTA 1893 Ormskirk

Can also see John's the Ships Carpenter possible brother in 1871:
1871: North Meols, Craven Lancashire
Ref: RG10 / Piece: 3875/ Folio: 68/ Pg 30
Address: Trap Lane
Head: James DAVIDSON 55, Gardener, b Scotland
Wife; Helen DAVIDSON 63, b Scotland
(RD is Ormskirk)

The batch number containing that John DAVIDSON/Margaret YOUNG marriage 1829 Aberdeen - also has I think 3, marriages of a James/DAVIDSON/Helen.

The fact nothing is found on IGI for the children, may suggest that - in Scotland at least - they were Non-Conformist? 

Still trying to pin down James DAVIDSON prior to 1861 in Lancashire or Scotland?

Trying to get a 'handle' on naming patterns with the children - a useful if not always accurate,  tool with Scottish families -  is in this case difficult unfotunately, as there is a reasonably large gap between Ann and John, and again between John and the Middlesex born children.

Could I ask where you have gotten the surname YOUNG for Margaret? 

Cheers 
AMBLY

[sjdavid]

Thanks for your response Joe.

Hello Ambly - I have same details on Margaret Davidson that you have found, but it took me longer to find it. I have been working on the assumption that Hellen did marry Joseph Batta in 1862.
William Davidson is my GG grandfather and he married Elizabeth Nickols on the 27th March 1864, William was an Iron Roller. John Davidson is listed as his father and was a shipwright. The interesting thing was the marriage was witnessed by James Davidson and Hellen Batta.
With John being a ships carpenter, he could be at sea when the census records were taken and maybe account for the gap with the birth of William and James.

again thanks for you help in trying to complete the story of John.

regards
steve 

[runningbear]

hi ambly,

surely the death cert for margaret davidson after 1871 will contain her father's name, confirming wither it be young or not.

Joe

[hume]

hi ambly,

surely the death cert for margaret davidson after 1871 will contain her father's name, confirming wither it be young or not.

Joe

Unfortunately not. I thought this re: English death certs also (that the father's name was included) but only on marriage certificates. It shows me how lucky we are with Scottish research!

hume24

[sjdavid]

I have the birth certificate of William Davidson born 23rd Oct 1842, his father was John Davidson, occupation shipwright and his mother was Margaret Davidson, formerly Young.

regards
Steve