Could Rennie be Rannie?

[fred111]

I have 5.5.1824 as the date when Isabella Rennie married Richard Lowden.
On the 1861 census, Isabella (56) comes from Berwick, but it's the only census which says this as her birthplace. on the others it is stated as Benton, the same as her husband.
An Isobel Rannie was christened at Coldstream. Berwick on 4.9.1805.
The only was to check this, is to find out her father's name at the marriage.
Is it possible to find this out?
Thanks in advance
Liz

[LizzieW]

Hi Liz and welcome to Rootschat.

According to Familysearch.org, an Isobel Rannie was baptised on 4.9.1805 at Coldstream Berwick.  The names given for her parents are  David Rannie and Janet Fair.  The source information is:

Batch No.C117334, Dates 1777-1820, Source Call No 1067871, Film 6901619
   
From this reference, you can order the film from your nearest Family Search records office and view it yourself.

Lizzie   

Modified - I guess you already have this info and need to find Isabella's marriage record.  Where did you get the date of her marriage from?  If you know where and when she married, you could ask someone who lives in the area to look at the Parish records for you.

[waiteohman]

Hello Liz

Just a note on the 1861 census my Rennie's were indexed as Kennie.

Over birth, marriage and death records, I have gotten Rainey, Rennie and Rainnie on the certificate documents.

Welcome to Rootschat.

Linda

[fred111]

Thank you, all.
The date of the marriage I had from a Rootschatter - Longbenton Marriages on genuki, but it only gives the date.
Cheers
Liz

[Michael Dixon]

Just a geographic snippet from Pedantic Mick...

Whoever wrote recorded " Coldstream, Berwick " were either just wrong or at best using an unwise abbreviation !

The town of Coldstream lay in the Parish of Coldstream. The Parish of Coldstream lay within the County of BerwickSHIRE.
The County of Berwickshire lay in the country of Scotland.

The town/borough of Berwick upon Tweed although throughout history has swopped sides between England and Scotland, it has never been part of Berwickshire.

So if Isabel was born in Coldstream, she was thus born in Scotland.
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 If she informed census enumerators that she was born in Coldstream, they would have entered "Scotland" as her place of birth. If she said Berwick or Berwick upon Tweed, they would have entered " Northumberland, Berwick or Berwick upon Tweed"

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Today in Tyne & wear Archives I looked at Longbenton Parish registers ( at least film of them)

The marriage record is as stated except bride's surname was entered as Renney ( the initial R looked very much like a K ! ) nor Rennie.

Richard's surname was written as LOWDON.

Richard signed his name with a spidery signature, Isabella make a "X". The vicar recorded that they were " both of this parish" and married by Banns. Witnesses were James Rutter (he signed) and Spephen Dinnen ( he made a "X")


Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[fred111]

Thanks for that information, Michael, that seems to clinch matters, that Isabella was local.
Have I to travel to the N.E. to view these records. Presumably, I can't access them on the Net.
I thought the marriage lines would have given the fathers names.
I wonder if the witnesses were friends. Strange how research seems to throw up more questions. All fascinating, though.
Thanks again.
Liz

[Michael Dixon]

Liz,

You were wrong about church ( C of E ) marriage records holding details of spouses fathers in 1820s. Yes later on.

RC records did show spouses fathers ( and sometimes mothers).

If you want to view the church marriage register.. or at least a film of it , then you will have to travel to Tyne & Wear Archives (Newcastle) or Northumberland County Record Office ( Woodhorn, near Ashington).. a longer journey !

Researchers take photocopies of appropriate bits of film of records. e.g. Tyne & Wear charge 50p a copy for a self-obtained copies, or I think £1 if staff obtain the copy.

Because I cannot work the complicated copier ( well, I think it is complicated) so I usually pay my £1 a shot.

Why not ring T&S and ask them to sell you a copy ? Or I will get a copy for you.

A cheaper option (free) is to access web www.genuki.org.uk , access the Northumberland section
>Parishes>Longbenton>Church Records

to see Indexes of Marriages 1653-1837 ( also Bapts 1813-1837 and Burials 1813-1837) including the Lowdon/Renney marriage.

But these are only indexes of abbreviated extractions from the church records, showing date and names of the two spouses.

Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[fred111]

Thanks again, Michael, and for such a quick response.
Great to have a man on the spot.
But, what is T&S?
Liz

[Michael Dixon]

Liz,

T&S is my bad typing etc... I meant T & W for Tyne & Wear Archives...  an organisation equivalent to a County Record Office (see their site at www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk  )

Michael