Annan - an elusive seaman

[Fear na mara]

Sorry, forget to answer the question. British Artists of the Royal Academy lists grandfather in 1898 - design for stained glass wall for Banqueting Hall - this was I think the Masonic Temple in Dublin. I paid a visit, though I am not a mason they were very decent and showed me the glass in their main building. Glass was very significant in Ireland at the turn of the last Century and the Dublin school eventually produced Evie Hone, doyen of an Túr Gloine -  (Eton College Chapel - West window).
Grandmother won a scholarship to the Royal Hibernian Academy - that is where she met John William.
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[kenjo]

Major break through!!
Think I have found Ann !!!!
E.....!!!Will get back soon...

YES!!!
I thought that I would see if Ann died abroad..(Consular Deaths). first....only found one who died at Philippeville 3   96 sometime between 1860 -1865....this place turned out to be in Belgium....(unlikely being inland)..
anyway...I looked for an English marriage ...and found only a few between any John Elliot and an Ann...
found a very suitable one in Wirral 8a 638     dec q     1859.......
John Elliot and Ann Shannon....
and guess what ....they had 2 children in Annan....soooo I had to buy the certificate to see....and yes....we have a winner!!
Joseph Elliot born 15 Aug 1861....father John (seaman chief mate) and Ann Shennon

also Sarah Margaret Elliot born 26 Dec 1865, Annan...

1871 Census..

Lodge Wynd, Annan.
Andrew Irving 56yrs, House Propietor and Mason, born Annon.
Isabella Irving 48yrs, born Half Morton.
Ellen Elliot dau, 7yrs, scholar born England.
Joseph Elliot, boarder, 9yrs, scholar, born Annan..

(not sure if Ellen is Sarah Margaret Elliot.....probably not)

1881 Census..

Back Lady Street, Annan.
Isabella Irving 57yrs, born Half Morton.
Sarah M Elliott 15 yrs, Neice, born Annan.
and 1 boarder.

In the 1881c I think I have found Joseph Elliot 19yrs, nephew,(grocery shop man) born Scotland..
 living in Cumberland with Grace Elliot, 50yrs..Widow..

Also in Cumberland is Joseph Elliot  born Morton...Joiner...


I have to go now..
Jo[/color][/b]

[ankerdine]

Wow! I think that between the two of you the story is unfolding before our eyes. It just shows that an accurate direction can bring about a detailed and positive  conclusion. Indeed, I am sure it's not the conclusion yet.

Well done Kenjo and Fear Na Mara.

Judy

[kenjo]

Gee thanks Judy,
It is great fun ....isn't it...but it is the story that is the most interesting....this boy John made good, didn't he....and was able to pass his successful genes on ......and his own family were able to look after his first 2 children as well.....I can't wait for 'E' to read this.....It could take him a few days as I think he has gone away....
1881 Census
Low Keckle, Whitehaven, Cumberland.

Grace Elliot, Head, Widow, born Scotland...........(Widow of Andrew)
Mary Elliot, dau, Unm, 22yrs, Gen Ser, born Whitehaven.
William Elliot, son, 17yrs, Joiners App, born Low Keckle.
Joseph Elliot, son, 15yrs, Grocers App, born Low Keckle.
Andrew Elliot, son, 13yrs, Scholar, born Low Keckle.
Joseph Elliot, nephew, 19yrs, Grocery Shopman, born Scotland.
also
John Elliot, Head, Mar, 23yrs, Railway Guard, born Whitehaven.
Kate Elliot, wife, 23yrs, born London.
Florence, Elliot, dau, 1yr, Low Keckle.
1891 Census
Cleator Moor, Egremont, Cumberland.
85 Birks Rd,


Joseph Elliott, Head, Mar, 29yrs, Grocer,born Scotland.
Annie Elliott, Wife, 25yrs, born Whitehaven.
John Elliott, son, 3yrs, born Whitehaven.
Arron S Elliott, son, 1yr, born Whitehaven.
Arron Smith, visitor, Widower, 56yrs, Coalminer, born Whitehaven.
1901 Census
Egremont, Cumberland.
52 Dallzell St,

Joseph Elliot, Head, mar, 39yrs, Grocers Assistant, worker, born Scotland.
Ann Elliot, wife, 35yrs, Whitehaven.
John Elliot, son, 13yrs, Egremont.
Arron S Elliot, son, 11yrs, Cleator Moor.
Joseph Elliot, son, 9yrs, Cleator, Moor.
Florence Elliot, dau, 7yrs, Cleator Moor.
Annie M Elliot, dau, 3yrs, Egremont.
Mary L Elliot, dau, 8 mths, Egremont.
1871 Census

Egremont

Andrew Elliot, head, mar, 44yrs, Joiner, Scotland....(son of John Elliot and Margaret Glover)
Grace Elliot, wife, 42yrs,Scotland.
Margaret Elliot, dau, unm, 16yrs, Gen ser, Carlisle, Cumberland.
John Elliot, son, 14yrs, Railway Engine Cleaner, Whitehaven.
Mary Elliot, dau, 12yrs, scholar, Whitehaven.
Isabella Elliot, dau, 10yrs, scholar, Egremont.
William Elliot son, 7yrs, scholar, Egremont.
Joseph Elliot, son, 5yrs, Egremont.
Andrew Elliot, son, 3yrs, Egremont.
Elizabeth Elliot, dau, 5months, Egremont[/color]
Joseph Elliot son of john elliot and Margaret Glover is also down in Cumberland...will get to that another time...
regards,
JO

[PrueM]

Nice work Jo...nothing for me to do but sit back and watch you bring it home! 

   Prue and Harry x

[kenjo]

Hey Prue your input is always welcome...and anyone else for that matter...
1901 Census
The Manse Port Street, Annan.
James A Crichton, 60yrs Minister of Annan Parish..born Perth.
Rachel L Geekie, sister
Sarah M Elliot servant, 35yrs, born Annan..

So this is a lovely story, of a boy with the sea in his heart..
It doesn't seem to be in the blood, for his brothers all took after their father and were Joiners.

Isabella grew up and found work at the Manse....for years and then..marrying Andrew Irving was able
 to look after her brothers children..
Sarah Margaret also working at the Manse...having the best of recommendations from her Aunt.

Sarah Margaret's mother Ann Shennan married John Elliot and lived with his mother - Margaret...
I can picture her in 1861 waiting for the birth of Joseph and Margaret being great comfort while they wait for John's return......
This was a very ambitious man.{his family would have been very proud} .(for if any of us with sailors in our heritage.....they are called 'sailors')
But when Joseph was born his mother very proudly said ...Joseph's father was 'Seaman chief mate" knowing that he had Captain in his sights....she sadly was not to know the outcome of his years of determination and study..

Young Joseph was raised by Isabella his Aunt and then went to Whitehaven, Cumberland...to his other Aunt - Grace and Uncle Andrew .
He married Ann Smith  Dec Q 1886 Whitehaven 10b 873...Ann presumably being the daughter of Arron Smith.

Sarah Margaret Elliot went on to marry Edward Elliot in 1903  ...Edward Elliot being the child of James Elliot and Janet McEwen.....both bride and groom  being aged 37yrs....I don't know if Sarah had any children..but we do know Joseph did...
so 'fear na mara'......your very dear mother now has Joseph and Sarah Margaret as her Aunt and Uncle...and Joseph's children are her cousins...
I pray that you do get to know this for her birthday, and "E" I hope you find living relatives from this ..

below is a snippet of the Marriage certificate between Sarah Margaret Elliot and Edward Elliot 1903.....she stating that her father was ...in fact....a Sea Captain....as we all know..
lovely..
JO

[ankerdine]

Hi Kenjo

I can feel a novel coming on! The bare bones are there ready for an imaginative writer to add some detail, albeit historical and geographical descriptions. What I would have liked to have done in another life maybe.

I can't wait for the next instalment please.

Judy

[kenjo]

I agree, that there should be another novel written,....."E" take note..

'E' mentioned that a 'Robert Elliott' wrote a novel about the return of John William Elliot ( as a wee babe) from China to London...
this was done in Ireland...in and around 1900.....

re: me.....
I am being haunted by Ann Scott Shennan......in my dreams....I feel so for her...

and I suppose 'E' and his family have felt so strongly for Captain John Elliot.
We now wait for
fear na mere..........'E'

Thankyou for your support......it does carry you on..

Jo

Modified....
I had a look at Wills     Isabella Irving sister to the Sea Captain....has a Will of 5 pages..1899.
her husband Andrew has a Will 1872 3 pages....

also Joseph Elliot brother to the Sea Captain....has a Will...Index .stating     died 11/1/1889 proved 16/2/1889
sometime residing at Moor Row Carnforth, Cumberland, afterwards in Annan died Annan...3 pages.

1871 Census..Moor Row Egremont, Cumberland.
Joseph Elliot, Head, Unm, Joiner. born Scotland.

1881 Census..
Moor Row, Egremont,
Joseph Elliot, Head, Mar, 46yrs, Joiner, Morton.
Ann Elliot, wife, 46yrs, Cumberland.


Children of Joseph Elliot (son of the Captain)....and Ann Smith.
all registered in Whitehaven, Cumberland.

John Elliot,                         Dec Q, 1887......10b 652
Aaron Smith Elliot,             Dec Q, 1889.......10b 616
Joseph Elliot,                     Dec Q, 1891......10b 654
Florence Isabel Elliot,        Sep Q, 1893......10b 693
Annie May Elliot,                Sep Q 1897.......10b 695
Mary Lilian Elliot,                Sep Q 1900.......10b 711

[kenjo]

Continued ::

Very interesting......
I just looked for a Marriage for Jannet Elliot ( the Captains sister) after 1867..(when her mother died)....and found this....
Jannet Elliot married James Jeffrey, 4/8/1868, Annan....this is official...
so once again ....submissions are wrong ...if you remember I found a submitted entry of this very marriage but in 1848.....

1871 Census..
Southcoates, Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire.
5 Emily St,

James Jeffrey, Head, Mar, 53yrs, Houseowner, born Scotland.
Jannet Jeffrey, wife, 47yrs, born Scotland..

Sadly Janet died...Sep Q 1871.....Gateshead..10a 576..

Just to make sure.....James was a widower in 1881c...



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