Name Change ?

[mary45]

Dear Michael !

Thankyou very much for the information you have sent
Its the nearest & dearest Information I have recieved
for a long time.

I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Charles & Mary.
They were married in October 1887 at St. Marys Catholic Church
in the district of Newcastle Upon Tyne.
"according to the rites and ceromonies of the roman catholics"
Charles "Valleny" and Mary Gallagher.

When Ethel got married in 1904  she used the name Vallaney.
She was living in Ryhope Sunderland then.
Ethel signed the marriage certificate herself and used the name Vallaney.

I ,m so glad that you could supply me with the correct name of the witness as being Mary Vanelly . ?? who was she I wonder , maybe she was also a Vallaney ?

There were 4 people involved in Ethel's baptism , yet no one apparently knew the day or month of her birth only 1887.


Mary VALLANEY remarried in 1894 at St. Patricks Chapel Gateshead
to James O ,Connor.

Your information was interesting. Thankyou !

Mary45

[Michael Dixon]

Mary44,

I have deducted one point from your score of 45, for missing the maybe obvious answer to your question of who Ethel's godmother/sponsor was !

Do you have the date in October for the V/Gallagher marriage in October 1887 @ St Mary's ?


I am also interested in "St Patrick's Chapel, Gateshead". I am wondering if it was RC. There was a St Patrick's RC Church in Felling, which lay just south of Gateshead !

Just a wee thought here.... with all this RC and Latin flying about... The name "Ethel" strikes me in two ways.... priest did not latinise it... and there is no Saint Ethel ( in my youth, b1941, RC priests in my area would refuse to baptise anyone with a non-saint name ??

Michael

[mary45]

Michael    (your deduction was right)

Charles & Mary were married on the 22 October 1887.
in the presence of; A Patrick & Maria Cullen.

The chapel was , The Felling at Heworth district of Gateshead.
on the 31 March 1894. They were both widower/widow living at
11 Providence Place Felling..

Could this be the Mary Vanelly/vallany who was present at the wedding 1887 ?

I,ve often thought the name Ethel was odd too.

Charles Vallaney was also RC baptised at St. Marys in Consett.
He served as a private in the Durham Light Infantry according to his army records.
He lived at the barracks at the time of his marriage. Mary Gallagher lived at 41 Mosley Street.
the same address as her witness Maria Cullen.

In keeping with the tradition I was baptised at St. Marys Church in 1945.

I agree with you Michael. There is no Saint Ethel ?

Mary44-45

[TracyW]

Hello Mary45

So to recap...

1859 Charles baptised St Marys Consett (who were his parents? could we try and find them in the censuses to get a handle on the surname)

1865 Mary Gallagher born Newcastle upon Tyne, father Michael, probably from Ireland (where did the Ireland bit come in? who was her mother? have you found them in any census records?)

1887 Ethel born

22 October 1887 Mary Gallagher marries Charles Valleny, witnesses A Patrick & Maria Cullen (living at 41 Mosley Street with Mary G.)

26 February 1889 Ethel 'Valleney' baptised St Marys Clayton Street Newcastle, adoptive daughter of Charles & Mary 'Valleney'. Valleney also written in register as 'Vanelly'. Godparents were Thomas Harrison & Mary Vanelly

1891 Charles dies aged 32

31 March 1894 Mary 'Vallaney' marries James O'Connor at Heworth Gateshead, both living at 11 Providence Place Felling

1901 Census possible sighting of Ethel

1904 Ethel 'Vallaney' marries

Have you found any Gallaghers or Vanelly/Valleney on any census record? I did look for any Charles born in Durham between about 1859 but the nearest I could come up with was a Varley, who was happily married and still alive in 1891.

I have also found a Mary Ann Valleny on freeBMD born Sept 1858 Durham 10a 222, with her possible sighting in Heworth in 1861 (Valleby), father Patrick, mother Catherine in Heworth.

All good stuff.... Any more names would be great to narrow them down.

Tracy

[Mr J T Arthur]

Mary, you mention Charles was baptised St Mary's Blackhill, do you have the record. A few years ago I did a look up for a Vellanny (various spellings) in that parish and it may be the same family but Charles was absent.

If you look at 13 William St, Consett in 1881 Patrick Vallerly is a widower aged 46 with a son Patrick aged 22 and a daughter Catherine aged 16, also brothers Neil aged 30 and James 25 all are stated to be born Armagh.

Going back 10 years (1871) to the same William Street where Patrick Vellany is a widow aged 41, born Ireland with his son Patrick aged 13 and Mary aged 12 both born Scotland. Catherine is not at at home but there is a Catherine Valley aged 6 born Glasgow, visitor, close by at Nile Street. Charles might have also been visiting elsewhere if he belonged to this family, whilst Mary aged 12 in 1871 may have been Ethel's godmother in 1889.

Good luck
J.T.A.

[mary45]

Thankyou Tracy & Jt for your replies and information 

I value them both !

I,ll be back soon !

Mary45

[mary45]

Charles Vallaney enlisted in the army at Shotley Hall
8th Feb 1875 he was 18yrs old.

Birthplace Blackhill Consett Durham.
5ft 11 inches blue eyes & fair hair. Roman Catholic

Enlisted Sunderland Barracks 27th March 1876

"Military History Sheet"
COUNTRY         FROM              TO
home         27 mar 1876          3rd oct 1876
India          4 th oct 1876          9 mar  1882
home         10 mars 1882        11 may 1885
Egypt         12 may 1885         20 dec 1886
home          21 dec 1886         15 dec  1890

Arrival Embarkation: Cairo 5th Dec 1886
                                Colchester 11 Jan 1887
                                 Newcastle Upon Tyne  4 Feb 1887
admitted to hospital: 2 feb 1889--14 feb 1889
                                 23 july 1890 --23 aug 1890
                                  2 oct 1890-- 18 oct 1890-
York. 18 Oct 1890 recommended for discharge.

Charles Vallaney died 10th March 1891 at 74 Walker Road Walker.
present at death was "Maggie Gallagher , sister in law.Living at 14 Caledonia Street Walker.

The census for that year took place on 5/6 April 1891.

I do think Charles father was Patrick Vellany of William Street.
Mary Vellany may well have been godmother !!

Mary45                ps All of Charles army records spell the name Vallaney. Charles signed his name with a X.

[Mr J T Arthur]

Mary, you earlier mentioned Charles' baptism at St Mary's, Blackhill, do you have details of the entry which will include both his parents names; I think Patrick's wife was called Jane. A Jane Vallaley aged 36 wife of Patrick died at Consett and was buried in Blackhill Cemetery 10th March 1871 just missing the census.

The name Vallelly is very common in Co Armagh and I think that was the correct name. If Charles was in fact born Blackhill circa 1858 there is an inconsistency with the other three of Patrick's children who were all born Scotland vis: Patrick circa 1857, Mary circa 1858 and Catherine circa 1864, nor do the family appear to be in the district in 1861 which makes Scotland a possibility, so that needs tidying up.

Patrick Jr. adopted (or reverted to) the name Vallelly, he married Catherine Kane in November 1881 and their descendants are still in Consett today. I think Catherine Vallelly married James Agnew in 1882 but I don't know what become of Mary who may not have married.

Poor Patrick Snr's mind must have failed him in old age, he died at Sedgefield Asylem aged 68 but was brought all the way back for burial at Blackhill Cemetery 24th February 1908.

The above is from notes I took for a lady years ago who I think lived in Wales.

J.T.A.

[mary45]

Hi JTA

Thankyou for your reply !

The information I have on Charles V is from Army Records which I ordered from England.
(I live in Sweden)

It could be that Charles did not quite give his correct date of birth when he registered himself
for army service ?

On his marriage certificate in 1887 his father's name is Patrick Valleny (deceased) Lab.
Mary Gallaghers father Michael was also deceased in 1887 ?

It says in his army record he was born in the parish of Blackhill in or near the town of Consett in the
County of Durham. Would it be possible for me to obtain a birth certificate with the details I have ?
Where would I apply for it ?

Its all very interesting reading with the information you have sent me about the Vallelys in Consett.
I,m certain they are the relations of Charles.(I'd like to think so)
Maybe these Vallelys living in Consett today have a family history tree ?

Mary45