Census lookup please

[MaryA]

I'm a little confused here by the mothers, but maybe you can make sense of it.  At least you will know by the names that these are connected.

I'm going to repeat the 1881 census that Joe gave above, including birthplaces because this is what helped me find the 1871 census.

60 Acre Lane, Brixton, Lambeth, London
JOhn Thomson Head M 43 Photographer Scotland
Babel Wife M 42 Lancashire Liverpool (yes it really does say Babel!)
William P son 11 Scholar China
John R son 10 Scholar Isle of Man, Port St Mary
Isabel B daur 7 Scholar Surrey Lambeth
Marion daur 6 " " "
Margaret daur 4  " "
Arthur son 2        " "
Annie Tulliman Servant Unm 28 Servant Nurse Isle of Man, Peel
Jane Fargher Servant Unm 27 Servant Domestic " "
RG11; Piece: 613; Folio: 61; Page: 8

1871 - You'll see why I picked out the two sons,
5 Flitter Street, Port St Mary House, Rushden, Isle of Man
Elizabeth Petrie Head Wid 70 Annuitant Scotland
Isabel Thomson daur Mar 32 England
William P Grandson 1 Hong Kong
John N Grandson 4 months Isle of Man, Rushden
Annie A H Sutherland Grandniece Unm 20 England
Margaret Kegg Servant Unm 37 General Servant Isle of Man, Rushden
Catharine Karran Servant Unm 20 Nurse                  " "
RG10; Piece: 5778; Folio: 121; Page: 29

Of course Isabel may not be their mother ........ Do you know when John married Mabel?

[MaryA]

1891
St John's Road, (No. 2 W. Cliff. Man.), Eastbourne, Sussex
Sydney Boljohn? (lodging housekeeper) and his wife Ellen and family seem to be running a lodging house
John Thomson Visitor S 20 Artist Sculpt. I. of Man
RG12; Piece: 772; Folio 9; Page 11

I've just looked carefully at the 1901 census image and find that Mabel is in fact Isabel, the M has been crossed through and written above is "IS"abel.  This seems to explain a lot.

Sorry lost the rest of the family in 1891.  Any more luck Joe?

[Lizw]

Hi Mary,
There is a lot in the detail here THANK YOU!!

According to John Thomson photographers biography on the internet:
John Thomson the photographer left the UK for Asia in 1862 he returned to the UK for a short time in in 1866 & 67 he met Isabel Petrie (a devout Methodist) then. Isabella travelled out to Hong Kong & they were married there in Nov 1868.
On 23 June 1870 Isabel Thomson, pregnant with her second son, left for England, picking up Thomson's brother William from Singapore en route.

Agnes Waugh Thomson lived for a time with her stepson Harry & his wife Edith but Harry died in October 1900 & I'm not sure what happened to his wife and if he had any children. The other 2 step children; James Stephens went out to New Zealand and Nora married  Arthur John Lucy in New Zealand but they then returned to the UK.

Many thanks again Mary you have been so helpful.
Liz

[runningbear]

hi pal,

igig's say....


john newlands thomson christened 7/12/1870, isle of man

william petrie thomson christened 9/1/1870, isle of man



Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

peter lieutenant petrie married elizabeth grindley on the 25/1/1819 in boness, it just so happens he was a lieutenant in the royal navy...

1841 cenus- patrick, isle of man

elizabeth...age 40
margaret..age 15
david...age 14
agnes...age 10
elizabeth...age 4
isabella...age 3
christina...age 1...born 20/5/1840

1851 census- braddan, isle of man

peter...age 61...lieut to royal navy
elizabeth...age 50
elizabeth...age 14...born liverpool
christina...age 10
david...age 8

1861 census- braddan, isle of man

peter...age 72...lieut to royal navy on 1/2 pay
elizabeth...age 60
isabella...age 22
christina...age 20

1871 census- sankey mill

john...age 59...sugar refiner
agnes...age 39
henry...age 8
nora...age 6
james...age 4
elizabeth blyth...visitor...age 34...born liverpool
elizabeth blyth...visitor...age 6 months...born isle of man


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

see that peter petrie was the son of peter and agnes waugh born 3/10/1789 in kinghorn fife, the family moved to boness as their daughter agnes was born there in 1807.



Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

se that elizabeth grindley was christened 4/6/1800 boness and was the daughter of walter and margaret scott.

1841 census- toxteth park, lancashire

walter...age 70...merchant
margaret...age 60
isabella...age 25
richard...age 20
helen...age 20

1851 census- toxteth park

walter...age 82...ship owner
margaret...age 73
isabella...age 40
richard...age 32...ship broker
agnes petrie...grand-daughter..age 20
isabella petrie...grand-daughter...age 12

1861 census- toxteth park

margaret..age 83...widow
isabella..age 52
william...age 30


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

another piece of the jigsaw...

1861 census- ronaldsway house, isle of man

john blyth...age 39...farmer
margaret blyth...wife...age 33
agnes w petrie...sister-in-law...age 26...officer's daughter
david petrie...brother-in-law...ag app

Joe

[Lizw]

Hello again !

The Bo'ness connection is one that really interests me as my Gt Gt Grandfather John Thomson's (the sugar refiner's) first wife Jamima Stephens was born in Bo'ness too.
Jamima was the daughter of a the local school master another "John" Stephens & Jane Clarke Brunton. She was their 4th child They had married on 25 Dec 1820 in Bo'ness. Their 7th child James Brunton Stephens went on to become a well known poet in Australia so there was a little about the family on a Bo'ness internet site.
Jamima was christened on 30 Nov 1828 and died at Sankey Hill in Lancashire the day after giving birth to my Gt Grandfather.

I can't help but feel there must be some link between the 2 Thomson branches & I'm still hoping that  might help me find out where John Thomson the sugar refiner came from & who his parents were. There are recurring threads leading to Bo'ness then Liverpool & there seems to be a nautical thread too appearing.
In the IGIs I narrowed it down to about 12 John Thomson births/christenings's who were sons of John Thomson's but then of course he mightn't even be in the IGIs

John's obituary mentioned that he had died at Old Melarum, Aberdeen which was incorrect as his death certificate (which I have)said he died at his home in Chester. I know I'm clutching at straws but I wonder if the reporter got it wrong & he was born there or came from there??? I do realise my imagination is running away with me at this point but I thought I should mention the place as this is all the information I have.

Agnes Waugh Petrie married John Thomson on the Isle of Man 9 June 1869      Kirk Rushen, Isle Of Man, England. Her last name is transcribed in the IGIs as Petris. John's name is transcribed as Thornson for his marriage to Jamima in Free BMDs - perhaps it was the Scottish accent!

It is all so intriguing! thank you so much for all you have done.
Liz