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When your father is not your father!
« on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
When a child's father is not named on their birth certificate then I understand that in law they do not have the same rights as a named father. Is that true or just fantasy on my part.
So what would be the case in reverse. If a named father turns out not to be the father!
Often wondered this one.
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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello RR

You don't mention any dates, but the answer to your question will in large part depend upon what period you are talking about.

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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Anna,
That would be helpful, mid 1940's.
RR
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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:19 GMT (UK) »
not sure about the 1940's but in recent times it depended on marital status.
when a child is registered, if the mother is unmarried then the father has to be present and consent to himself being named as the father, although this does not give him full parental rights.
if the mother is married, then her husband is automatically added as the father (regardless of whether the child is biologically his) he does not have to be present and automatically has the same parent rights as the mother.
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Cotton, Wood, Beckwith, Edwards, Rutland, Burgess, Davies (Liverpool, Lancashire, Cheshire, Bucks, Staffs)


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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
The mother was not married to the father who was already married at the time. Months later after finding out the child was not his he disowned  the child.
RR
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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 November 07 22:54 GMT (UK) »
hi RR,
i take it from your initial question that the father in question was named as such on the childs birth certificate?
if so how did he find out that the child wasn't his?
i have a relation in a similar position.
the lady in question (who was married) became pregnant during the war, when the child was born he was named after his father (her husband) but when her husband returned 3 months later, from where ever he was serving, he saw that the child was mixed race and left - never seen his wife or the child again.
its such a sad story.
sue
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Cotton, Wood, Beckwith, Edwards, Rutland, Burgess, Davies (Liverpool, Lancashire, Cheshire, Bucks, Staffs)

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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 November 07 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sueky71,
From what I understand, the situation appears to be almost identical to what you have described.
RR
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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 November 07 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Would that mean then Sueky that it would be possible to have the fathers name removed from the cert..


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Re: When your father is not your father!
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 25 November 07 23:30 GMT (UK) »
hi jane,
i don't think its possible to have details removed from birth certificates.
i think some countries (not sure about the UK) will allow amendments under certain circumstances - trans-gender cases for instance, but on the whole i believe once a certificate is issued then it can't be changed.
i'm not 100% sure though and please correct me if i'm wrong.  :)

i know in my rellies case (mentioned previously) that the child still carries his 'fathers' name and has even passed it on to his children.
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Kennaway, Britton, Cruickshank, Jamieson, Wood, Braidwood, Swan, Inglis (Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Greenock, Glasgow, Lanarks)
Cotton, Wood, Beckwith, Edwards, Rutland, Burgess, Davies (Liverpool, Lancashire, Cheshire, Bucks, Staffs)