Occupation on Census

[Lady Di]

Thanks for that link Toni

Gosh Gadget, I didn't think  to check the marriage cert - hold five (.... dig, dig, paper flying everywhere.....)

Found it - and her occupation is.......

BLANK

 

Good suggestion but no gold star!!

Thanks
Di

[MarieC]

Very interested in the posts of JenB and pjbuk.  I do still think it is Opera Binder and they have given some plausible explanations for this weird occupation!! 

MarieC

[Old Bristolian]

Hello Di

I think there is such a thing as an "Opera Slipper" - a light leather slipper (worn by gentlemen, whether to the Opera or not I don't know).
I have seen "Slipper Maker" as an occupation, so I guess a binder is quite likely  - binding was often a female occupation in the shoe industry

Steve

[Lady Di]

Yes MarieC I agree with you. My original post actually said that was what I thought it was but Tristan kindly changed it so everyone could make their own decision.
Thanks Tristan - it worked a treat 

Thanks Steve for the idea about the Opera shoes. Somewhere in my dim dark distant past I recall that (must have been something my Mum told me  )

I have tried again to find them on the 1851 to see if any of her sisters was doing the same thing but they don't want to be found. 

Thanks for your help

Di

 

[pjbuk007]

What were the sisters' names and ages in the 1851?

(still sure it is an opera binder......   who collated sheet music........   But I Could Be Wrong!)

[JenB]

(still sure it is an opera binder......   who collated sheet music........  

I agree! An opus is a piece of music. Therefore an opera (plural of opus) binder is someone who binds/collates pieces of music. QED (I think  )

Jennifer

[toni*]

just looking for something else (an immigration record) and this was noted for the occupation:~

Labo(u)rer (Ital. 'operaia') or Workman/Woman

[Lady Di]

Gosh Toni you do come up with some interesting facts - thanks.

On the IGI, the only other daughter of Joseph and Mary Pattison was Emma Susannah Pattison born 21.09.1829. Matilda was born 25.01.1832 so I think the age of 25 on the '61 census was a bit of a fib, afterall, she was 29 and unmarried, so I guess she's entitled to a little adjustment to her age.

There are a few other girls on the IGI but I dont feel/ can't confirm they are related unless I can find them on the '51 or '41.

Back to the original question - her occupation.... Yes, I agree that she was an "Opera Binder" (probably sounds better than a Book Binder anyway  )

Di

[Old Bristolian]

Hi Di

I've found them on 1851 Census - at 11 Teal Street, Bethnal Green (HO 907 (107?) 1539 page 29.
Surname is Patterson there, with Joseph, son William, both shoemakers & daughters Matilda (aged 18!) & Emma (21). No profession for either daughter.
I still think it most likely that Opera Binder refers to shoes/slippers - I've several shoemakers in my lines & the family usually were in the same trade in some way - the females usually binders
The musical link is not really likely - I don't think musical scores and opera scores would have had separate binding processes
Steve