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Re: Is this Boer War??
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 02 December 07 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic--thank-you all for that--I feel i am getting somewhere with this at last!! Could this then be a photo taken to commemorate the disbanding of a unit??-or did it not work like that?
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore

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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 02 December 07 16:54 GMT (UK) »

Here's some information about Cyclist Battalions ! This excellent site about Huntingdon may give you some ideas !!

http://www.huntscycles.co.uk/

The Huntingdon Cyclist Battalion.
This Unit was raised at Huntingdon on the 27th. February 1914. On the 4th. August 1914 they were embodied. They were re-numbered during March 1915 as the 1st. /1st. Battalion, and disembodied on 14th. April 1919.

The 2nd./1st. Battalion were formed during 1914, and disbanded on the 12th. December 1919.

The 3rd./1st. Battalion were formed around 1915, and later disbanded.



6th. [Cyclist] Battalion The Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment.
This Unit was raised at Tonbridge on 1st. April 1908. as the 6th. Battalion The Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment. During 1910. they transferred as The Kent Cyclist Battalion.

On the 4th. August 1914 they were embodied. They were numbered as the 1st. /1st. Battalion, and disembodied during February 1920 in India and were reconstituted as the 13th. [Kent] Medium Brigade, Royal Garrison Artillery and the 13th. [Kent] Medium Artillery Brigade, Signal Section.

The 2nd./1st. Battalion were formed at Canterbury during 1914, and disbanded on the 28th. July 1919.

The 3rd./1st. Battalion were formed at Canterbury around 1915.



8th. [Cyclist] Battalion The Northumberland Fusiliers.
This Unit was raised at Sunderland during October 1908 as the 8th. [Cyclist] Battalion of the Regiment; and later at
Newcastle. They transferred during 1910 as The Northern Cyclist Battalion. On the 4th. August 1914 they were embodied. They were re-numbered as the 1st. /1st. Battalion, and disembodied on 24th. January 1919.

The 2nd./1st. Battalion were formed during 1914, and disbanded on the 17th. April 1919.

The 3rd./1st. Battalion were formed around 1915 at Newcastle During 1916, the personnel, if willing went to the Machine-gun Corps or the 1st./1st. and 2nd./1st. The Northern Cyclist Battalions.

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 02 December 07 17:04 GMT (UK) »

In 1908, major reorganization abolished local Militia and brought the Yeomanry and these Volunteer groups together under the banner of the Territorial Force. At this point, ten Territorial Cyclist Battalions were incorporated into the Army Cyclist Corps

At the time the first cycle units were formed the bicycle was a much faster mode of transport than marching - and cheaper than a horse. They units undertook advance scouting/recce duties, despatch riding (until the motor cycle became popular) and were able to move fast to take up advanced positions to await the bulk of the troops coming on foot.
 
THE ARMY CYCLIST CORPS

7th (Cyclist) Battalion Devonshire Regiment
Kent Cyclist Battalion (Formerly known as "West Kent")
Essex and Suffolk Cyclist Battalion
Highland Cyclist Battalion
7th (Cyclist) Battalion The Welsh Regiment
10th (Cyclist) Battalion The Royal Scots (Lothian) Regiment
25th (County of London) Cyclist Battalion The London Regiment
6th (Cyclist) Battalion Norfolk Regiment
Northern Cyclist Battalion
5th (Cyclist) Battalion East Yorkshire Regiment

The machine was designed to enable the rider to travel as a completely self-contained one-man fighting unit.  Everything he needed could be stowed away on the machine from his rifle to his cape and ground sheet. A small kitbag carried behind the seat held rations and personal items and an emergency toolkit hung from the crossbar. On tarmac roads, in spite of its heavy iron frame, the machine provided fairly fast and effective transport but  on rough terrain and in muddy conditions, riders often had to abandon their machines.

"Cycle Artificers" were used to maintain the machines. These were members of each Battalion who were specially trained as mechanics.

The original TA cyclist battalions, and their duplicates, were mainly posted to parts of the UK where there were long sparsely populated stretches of coastline. Their superior mobility allowed all parts of the coast line to be visited as frequently with less men than conventional foot troops.

The war formed Army Cyclist Corps units were intended for recce. but static warfare meant that they performed messenger work or used their mobility to provide quick reinforcement to threatened sectors. At Divisional level it does seem that the Cycle Company was used as a convenient pool of spare men...

Many home based Yeomanry horsed cavalry units went over to cycles near the end of the war due to shortage/expense of hoses. This was not popular with the men.

Cyclist badge. The TF pre-war sported a cyclist's badge for qualified men: a bicycle wheel on sleeve Men wore the bandolier equipment, rifle or carbine in/on a special carrier attached to frame

I thought you might like some "padding " !!  :D
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Re: Is this Boer War??
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 02 December 07 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Again, THANK_YOU to all who have sent replies to this-it has all been of great help--your info has narrowed my relative down to being Frank Thompson, my grt uncle. He is marked with the ink line in photo--unfortunately the only one with his arms behind his back-so cannot see sleeves!!
I have just found his discharge stuff on the WW1 British Army pensions on Ancestry-which is odd- I did not realize it had Boer war records on there, or I would perhaps have looked before.  It gives him as trooper, Sharpeshooters,and No 62950, Corps-M s s ?J Y  but not sure what that means. Also "13 Mxx" Volunteers--hence the shoulder marks?.  It gives his age as 22 in 1901, but he was born 1883 I think. Any one know anything about this lot??
Anyway, Thank-you so much--Brilliant.
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore


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Re: Is this Boer War??
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 02 December 07 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Sally

Could you post a copy of his record pse??

Things are quite confusing... :o :o :-\

The Sharpshooters were the variously the 3rd, 4th and 3/4th County of London Yeomanry.

The 25th County of London bn (cyclists) started as the 26th Middlesex (cyclist) Volunteer Rifle Corps

I can find no reference to the 13th M(iddlesex??) except as a WW1 raised bn

The 13th County of London bn (Kensington) appear not to have been cyclists.
There is the possibility of course that they had a cycle platoon....but...

Could he have been Middlesex Imperial Yeomanry? They were the Duke of Cambridge Hussars, and had an eight pointed star as cap badge.

They were also the 1st County of London Yeomanry.

This would make him a "trooper" as opposed to a "private"

I suppose he could have moved around all of them!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 02 December 07 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Bit more int on the Imperial Yeomany...

# 18th Battalion (Sharpshooters). raised 30 Dec. 1899; embarked at Southampton 6 Apr. 1900; landed at Beira Apr. 1900 (joined Rhodesian Field Force); First contingent returned to UK June 1901, replaced by second draft Mar.-Aug. 1901; perpetuated Aug. 1901 by 3rd County of London (Sharpshooters) Imperial Yeomanry.

    * 67th (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1900
    * 70th (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1900
    * 71st (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1900
    * 75th (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1900

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Re: Is this Boer War??
« Reply #24 on: Monday 03 December 07 08:58 GMT (UK) »
I am a bit confused now--but find records hard to understand, due to lack of experience!!
Here is page 1 and 3 of record
WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore

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« Reply #25 on: Monday 03 December 07 09:06 GMT (UK) »
and next ones
WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore

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« Reply #26 on: Monday 03 December 07 09:28 GMT (UK) »
So it seems he was initially in the 13th Middlesex Volunteers, Imperial Yeomanry (which did have a cycle unit - and see the bottom photo on this web page for the uniforms http://www.armynavyairforce.co.uk/queen's_westminsters.htm)

Looks like he then served in 93 Company, 21st Battalion (2nd Sharpshooters) Imperial Yeomanry in South Africa. 

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