Is this Boer War??

[alunno-a]

Ah!! All clear- thank you for that, and for link--same uniform. This has been great , for lots of reasons..and will be able to get closer on other photos indentification, now I know this is Uncle Frank! Thank-you all,
Sally

[scrimnet]

Mwahhahaha!!!

We are getting somewhere...

1880     13th Middlesex (Queen's) Rifle Volunteers (Westminster)
        

    * A Company (Pimlico Division)
    * B Company (Pimlico Division)
    * C Company (Pimlico Division)
    * D Company (Pimlico Division)
    * E Company (St. John's Division)
    * F Company (St. John's Division)
    * G Company (St. Margaret's Division)
    * H Company (St. James's Division)
    * I Company (St. Martin's Division)
    * K Company (St. Martin's Division)
    * L Company (Shoolbread Company)
    * M Company (St. Clement Dane's Division)
    * [N Company not formed?]
    * O Company (Royal Welsh)
    * R Company (Greater Westminster)
    * S Company (Mounted Infantry), formed ca. 1900
    * T Company (Cyclists), formed ca. 1900

   1881.07.01    [6th] volunteer battalion of The King's Royal Rifle Corps
   1889    battalion came within boundaries of new County of London, formed from parts of Middlesex, Kent and Surrey
   1891.12    13th Middlesex (Queen's) Volunteer Rifle Corps (Westminster)
   1900.11    cadet corps formed
   1908.04.01    16th (County of London) Battalion, The London Regiment (Queen's Westminster Rifles)
transferred to T.F. with HQ and coys at Queen's Hall, Buckingham Gate, Westminster, London SW

I've been looking at the wrong bits!!, my book didn't say that the 13th became the 16th, only that there was the 16th!

So the pic is pre 1908as I first assumed.

And as I suggested earlier, he did move!! (smug grin!)

He started off with the 13th Middlesex (Queens Westminsters) and then to go and get some action in South Africa, joined the 21st Bn Imperial Yeomanry, (or maybe 23rd!!)

You might want to look here...http://www.sharpshooters.org.uk/

# 21st Battalion (2nd Sharpshooters), raised Jan. 1901; embarked for South Africa Mar. 1901; perpetuated Aug. 1901 by 3rd County of London (Sharpshooters) Imperial Yeomanry.

    * 80th (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 81st (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 82nd (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 83rd (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901

# 23rd Battalion (3rd Sharpshooters). raised Jan. 1901; embarked for South Africa Mar. 1901; perpetuated Aug. 1901 by 3rd County of London (Sharpshooters) Imperial Yeomanry.

    * 90th (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 91st (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 92nd (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901
    * 93rd (Sharpshooters) Company, raised 1901

There sorted!!!

I think that there may be a typo somewhere, which is what sent me up the wrong way...93rd Coy were 23rd bn, not 21st as stated on the attestation sheet!

 

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BTW he wouldn't have had the same uniform....Well not in the two regiments he joined...

He was an infantryman to start with, with the Queens Westminsters, then he remustered to have a short service enlistment, for the duration of the war in South Africa. At that point he joined the Sharpshooters.

The 13th Middlesex were not Imperial Yeomanry.

All officers were expected to furnish their own horses whether they be infantry, yeomanry, mounted infantry or cavalry!

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And of course, Kings Royal Rifle Corps were Light Infantry, and marched very quickly everywhere with rifles at the trail not on the shoulders...

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Of course this perpetuates the adage, "always go to the original source"! Then it's quickly sorted!!!  

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And of course we can now date the pic between 1900 and 1st March 1901...so with an educated guess, ie Summer Camp....Aug 1900! 

[alunno-a]

Ok- so have i got this right regarding my photo?  is this photo of the Queens Westminsters-poss taken c 1900 in England, and when Frank transferred to the Sharpeshooters would have had a differant uniform, and a horse.??
I was told that his brother served in Sharpeshooters too, is there a list of Volunteers accessible on line do you know?? i have another photo I posted earlier-now, thanks to you all, identified as not Frank- there is nothing on the uniform, but is same general "style"-could I assume therefor a similar date as this QW photo??    ( If so I might have the brother)
Sally

[alunno-a]

Posted above and missed your photo date --Thank-you!!

[ShaunJ]

The medals are certainly Queens South Africa (3 bars) & Kings South Africa (2 bar) for the Boer War.

The photo is therefore after the war and no earlier than late in 1902 (when the KSA was issued).

Still a puzzle here!